percentage of hourly thru-put, genie/lightning lane vs standby

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The operating hours thing is a real sore spot with me. The amount of money coming into MK should be going into staffing operations for a 8am-12am operating schedule during the "busy season" which is what now, Spring Break thru Christmas with a 6 week break between August and September? Company is absolutely leaving money on the table not investing into DHS with a couple other attractions and keeping it open under those hours as well.

They’re limiting hours and then selling upsells after…they’re also limiting hours for higher priced tickets…

Not “leaving money on the table” really

 

[fgmnt]

They’re limiting hours and then selling upsells after…they’re also limiting hours for higher priced tickets…

Not “leaving money on the table” really

I know they are selling DHS after hours this winter, but they could get away with a hard ticket more than just 20 days a year there if they did anything else.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know they are selling DHS after hours this winter, but they could get away with a hard ticket more than just 20 days a year there if they did anything else.

They’re close to 100 as is…

…follow the yellow brick road with me

It’s only gonna escalate

 

[JoeCamel]

They’re close to 100 as is…

…follow the yellow brick road with me

It’s only gonna escalate

Boutique ala carte parks just like Uncle Walt built but without the altruism? Pay and pay as you go

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Boutique ala carte parks just like Uncle Walt built but without the altruism? Pay and pay as you go

…block pricing…don’t forget the “big picture” during boo bash

 

[Chi84]

…block pricing…don’t forget the “big picture” during boo bash

Disney brought back the Halloween parties that some thought Boo Bash would permanently replace.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney brought back the Halloween parties that some thought Boo Bash would permanently replace.

You mean 5 hour “special ticketed events” 4x a week that cost more than the day tickets? And emptied out the park to do it?

 

[Chi84]

You mean 5 hour “special ticketed events” 4x a week that cost more than the day tickets? And emptied out the park to do it?

That’s it, yes. For some reason people really love those parties. We tried the Halloween party with the family (no grandkids yet) in 2019. Our kids liked it, but DH and I didn’t think it was worth it. We wouldn’t do it again.

Boo Bash was the only thing available during our October 2021 trip and (if I’m remembering correctly) it made sense for us to take the monorail to Cali Grill and then walk over to MK. It was our only opportunity to see MK at night that trip.

I’m nowhere near optimistic enough to believe that not going to Boo Bash would have resulted in anything more than denying ourselves an opportunity to experience MK at night in an uncrowded setting. I believe WDW is on a downward trajectory caused by greed and mismanagement that won’t end soon or well.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s it, yes. For some reason people really love those parties. We tried the Halloween party with the family (no grandkids yet) in 2019. Our kids liked it, but DH and I didn’t think it was worth it. We wouldn’t do it again.

Boo Bash was the only thing available during our October 2021 trip and (if I’m remembering correctly) it made sense for us to take the monorail to Cali Grill and then walk over to MK. It was our only opportunity to see MK at night that trip.

I’m nowhere near optimistic enough to believe that not going to Boo Bash would have resulted in anything more than denying ourselves an opportunity to experience MK at night in an uncrowded setting. I believe WDW is on a downward trajectory caused by greed and mismanagement that won’t end soon or well.

Oh no doubt they’re popular…my point in bringing it up is just long term it’s leading to higher prices for left. Basic market dynamics at work there.

To each their own..unfortunately that affects everyone.

 

[Chi84]

Oh no doubt they’re popular…my point in bringing it up is just long term it’s leading to higher prices for left. Basic market dynamics at work there.

To each their own..unfortunately that affects everyone.

The problem with WDW is that so many people with diverse interests are visiting that there will always be enough people to find value in whatever Disney decides to offer. This is true even when the product Disney is offering is ridiculously expensive or flawed.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The problem with WDW is that so many people with diverse interests are visiting that there will always be enough people to find value in whatever Disney decides to offer. This is true even when the product Disney is offering is ridiculously expensive or flawed.

Well I dispute “diverse interests”…it’s all about the same. Theme parks, fat and sugar…mostly. These aren’t really “different products”

But I agree that people will buy anything. “Value” is more ambiguous.

 

[Chi84]

Well I dispute “diverse interests”…it’s all about the same. Theme parks, fat and sugar…mostly. These aren’t really “different products”

But I agree that people will buy anything. “Value” is more ambiguous.

People prioritize different experiences at WDW. Some want to go on as many rides as possible every day; others prioritize dining, entertainment, parades, fireworks, water parks. One group will find Genie+ worth it no matter the cost. The other won’t be willing to pay as much.

People won’t buy “anything.” They buy the things that have value to them. Because different people value different things and there are so many people buying so many products, it looks like people aren’t being discerning. But they usually are.

Economic value is subjective - an item is worth what people will pay for it. Sometimes it’s confused with ethical values, which are (at least argued to be) objective. Ethical values come into play when someone is price-gouging during a natural disaster. Not so much when you’re talking about discretionary spending at an expensive vacation venue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People prioritize different experiences at WDW. Some want to go on as many rides as possible every day; others prioritize dining, entertainment, parades, fireworks, water parks. One group will find Genie+ worth it no matter the cost. The other won’t be willing to pay as much.

People won’t buy “anything.” They buy the things that have value to them. Because different people value different things and there are so many people buying so many products, it looks like people aren’t being discerning. But they usually are.

Economic value is subjective - an item is worth what people will pay for it. Sometimes it’s confused with ethical values, which are (at least argued to be) objective. Ethical values come into play when someone is price-gouging during a natural disaster. Not so much when you’re talking about discretionary spending at an expensive vacation venue.

lol…you’re consistent in your praise…I will give you that.

 

[Chi84]

lol…you’re consistent in your praise…I will give you that.

I’m not “praising” anything or anyone, but thanks.

 

[cm1988]

Why acknowledge that? It's how those systems work. The people that pay for it should get the benefits

There was a time, not long ago, when the $100+ gate fee was considered payment, and people waited their turn in line.

 

[Chi84]

There was a time, not long ago, when the $100+ gate fee was considered payment, and people waited their turn in line.

People have had the option of not waiting in lines at WDW since 1999. 23 years is a pretty long time. It’s not reasonable to expect WDW to be the only major theme park where people don’t have that option.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There was a time, not long ago, when the $100+ gate fee was considered payment, and people waited their turn in line.

This

And now people pay $150 to “get away from those crowds” for a fraction of the time and laud themselves for “shrewd” decisions…

 

[Chi84]

This

And now people pay $150 to “get away from those crowds” for a fraction of the time and laud themselves for “shrewd” decisions…

Nah. I doubt too many people think they’re making shrewd decisions at WDW. That’s not what Disney’s about.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nah. I doubt too many people think they’re making shrewd decisions at WDW. That’s not what Disney’s about.

…you have a point there.

 

[wdwfan22]

It really just depends on the day. I’m in the parks at least once a week and it’s still possible to do everything without paying if you know what your doing. I had family here for 2 weeks and they only used genie once to see what it was like. We never waited more than 40 minutes and did everything in every park. We also never rope dropped.