People who visit DW and complain about the walking...

laxchik18

Active Member
walking in the park isnt a big deal bc you are walkin gto rides and attractions, but when u get back to the hotel at 2 in the morning, especially if you have little kids, and want a quick bite from the counter service or need something from the lobby, sometimes it can be a big deal to walk another couplde miles, or and long distance for that matter. when you get back from the park you want to be able to relax. i find bay lake tower is one of the worst resorts with this..but hey, this is just my opinion
 

sgtmgd

Well-Known Member
So theme dictates how many pools.. or how many food courts.. or how many bus stops.. you can have? How does that work?

You do realize there are far BIGGER hotels that are even more themed then Disney right? 'Theme' is a cop out. Disney built these properties for scale and pushed the limits on how many rooms in low density buildings they could create around one cluster of services. All the mods and values built at the time follow the same formula.. one main cluster of services, surrounded by sprawling buildings with satellite pools. Whenever you need more than one cluster of services, just name it a new resort. Hence, the split in the Pop/Legacy years.. and the split between Music/Movies/Sports.
Flynn you obviously have strong feelings on this and I like to be open minded..and you certainly have every right to voice your opinions.

Disney built his kingdoms around themes...so that's not a cop out...it is Disney in a nutshell..my next comment is not meant to offend anyone but probably will..so I apologize in advance

People who complain about how far their room is from the bus..or main building have a plethora of options

Ask for a closer room when booking...Disney is very good about trying to appease guest. BUT you must be diligent in your communication and get to the resort early..also there are plenty of "vertical" hotels at DTD if people can't muster the energy or patience to walk an extra 10 minutes at the end of their day...like I said even the boardwalk.has some very long hallways and its not spread out at all...
Know the enviroment you're heading to and properly.plan..this may not help first timers but you will never.satisfy everyone
 

Jane Whalebones

Active Member
I could never complain about walking at Disney being that I'm at the happiest place on earth!:) Exercise is a good thing...you just gotta pace yourself and have fun! As a matter of fact I wish I was there right now.;)
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Flynn you obviously have strong feelings on this and I like to be open minded..and you certainly have every right to voice your opinions.

I could care less - I don't put myself in those positions. But it is still REAL and valid scenario. Where many here are just trying to shove it under the rug.

Disney built his kingdoms around themes...so that's not a cop out...

The idea they are this big and spread out and can't be another way because of theme is a cop out. They are this way by design - not by constraint. There is no theme violation by putting another food station around the property for instance.

Ask for a closer room when booking...Disney is very good about trying to appease guest. BUT you must be diligent in your communication and get to the resort early..

So again.. burden the customer. Make it their problem. You are all freaking business geniuses!

Here's a concept - make it so the customer doesn't have to worry or care about it by making the problem go away. Scary thought... making the customer not have to deal with it? Such radical thoughts...
 

sgtmgd

Well-Known Member
I could care less - I don't put myself in those positions. But it is still REAL and valid scenario. Where many here are just trying to shove it under the rug.



The idea they are this big and spread out and can't be another way because of theme is a cop out. They are this way by design - not by constraint. There is no theme violation by putting another food station around the property for instance.



So again.. burden the customer. Make it their problem. You are all freaking business geniuses!

Here's a concept - make it so the customer doesn't have to worry or care about it by making the problem go away. Scary thought... making the customer not have to deal with it? Such radical thoughts...
We could make verbal vollyball an Olympic sport

Radical thinking made Walt Disney World..no.arguement that the hotel design are planned...

By your logic even if all the hotels were vertical and centrally located with eating places on every floor...people would still complain that they were on. Floor 24 vs Floor 50 or Floor 1...or why isn't that place to eat on my floor..

People who complain about what MOST folks who are visiting Disney consider tribal.or non issues will never be happy

That's not to say its not important to them...I'm.just glad I was raised to appreciate that I'm able to go to Disney as often as I do and save my complaining for issues of more substance than walking an extra 10 minutes.in a place that walking excessively is the status quo.

And yes when in the minority you must call and.voice your concerns and ask for things like closer rooms.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Still don't get it. I USED to "walk" in Yosemite... which involved a 50 pound pack & a 3000 foot elevation change :). WDW? Piece of cake - even WITH the addition of 40 years.

and because you did that (when wanted to be in Yosemite) did you build your house with 3000ft elevation changes between your kitchen and your bedroom? Oh wait.. that's right, because visiting yosemite is not the same as your daily life.. just like expectations when hiking through yosemite is not the same as the expectations of your hotel.

I dunno.. maybe you opt'd to build your camp a 3000ft climb from your water source or your latrine. That's more akin to the situation at hand. Things you expect to be near you when staying in a hotel... not comparing them to entirely different experiences.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
I could care less - I don't put myself in those positions. But it is still REAL and valid scenario. Where many here are just trying to shove it under the rug.

The idea they are this big and spread out and can't be another way because of theme is a cop out. They are this way by design - not by constraint. There is no theme violation by putting another food station around the property for instance.

So again.. burden the customer. Make it their problem. You are all freaking business geniuses!

Here's a concept - make it so the customer doesn't have to worry or care about it by making the problem go away. Scary thought... making the customer not have to deal with it? Such radical thoughts...

You clearly do care, or else you would have stopped commenting a while ago.

And this is not a topic of theme. Of course another food station wouldn't take away from themes, but that is what the deluxe resorts are for. sgtmgd is right, we should make verbal volleyball a sport here, because that is all you have been doing.

You can't seem to grasp the concept at all. Adding more luxury to the guests of value and moderate resorts takes away from the exclusivity of the greater convenience in deluxe resorts. That is why they cost more. You start added more luxury to the other resorts, then you have to start raising the prices of those as well.

And here's a concept for you - deluxe resorts make it so there are no issues of size or 'excessive' walking. Such a "radical" thought that guests actually have options other than the Big 3 disney resorts you keep harping on. Such a "radical" notion that there are vertically built resorts such as the Swan and Dolphin and DTD Hilton that are offered at lower rates and also have minimal walking.

And it must be such a burden on the guest to say on the phone to Disney when reserving rooms "we'd like to request a room next to the lobby" Pheww..I'm exhausted after saying that. It was really difficult....

Everyone has a right to their own opinion. But people aren't as uptight about the issue as you seem to be because people understand that there are other options they have at their disposal if they want to reduce the about of their addition walking outside of the parks.
 

pumpkin7

Well-Known Member
i have my theme park traniers. bought them from a shoe store on i - drive in 2008 and they are now my official theme park trainers. wore them on our last trip to the world too, and i'll wear them on our next trip! they only come out when i'm going to a theme park.
i think you're silly if you don't expect there to be LOTS of walking in WDW. i mean, have you seen the size of the place? (btw probably off topic as i haven't read the entire thread lol)
 

draybook

Well-Known Member
.. as if everyone has complete freedom in what they can afford, what is available, how many are in their party, etc. And name one Disney Moderate that isn't setup like this? The closest you can get that isn't one of the mega sprawl resorts is the wilderness cabins and POFQ. Many of the others are actually bigger than some of the theme parks themselves!

When you start paying the bills - you will start to understand that not everything is totally up to you and sometimes you have to make compromises to make the larger goal happen.

Instead of blaming the customer - try listening to what the customer's concerns are and see if they are legit.. instead of 'you knew what you were getting into' and blowing them off.


I realize I'm late to the party, but I had to comment on this.


This isn't so much railing on Flynn, as it is on this type of thought process that some folks might have. I can't tell if the part about having complete freedom in what they can control is serious or not. How can someone not have complete control of their financial ability when planning a trip to WDW?

I remember when I started a thread asking how many people actually paid the "suggested" tip at the restaurants and I got hammered by quite a few folks for being cheap and unfit for a WDW vacation. Now, if tipping is such a sensitive issue, then wouldn't that apply to people that choose a resort that would cost more to be more convenient?



That being said, I love the walking we do on property. I'm far from being in the great shape I was in when I left the service, so it's like a mini workout to me. As a matter of fact, in our 5 previous trips there was only 1 time when our children had an issue with the opening-closing schedule we keep. That was due to one of his shoes rubbing through his sock thus giving him a large blister. Lucky me got to carry him from BTMRR to the tram.
 

Funfy

Active Member
You clearly do care, or else you would have stopped commenting a while ago.

And this is not a topic of theme. Of course another food station wouldn't take away from themes, but that is what the deluxe resorts are for. sgtmgd is right, we should make verbal volleyball a sport here, because that is all you have been doing.

You can't seem to grasp the concept at all. Adding more luxury to the guests of value and moderate resorts takes away from the exclusivity of the greater convenience in deluxe resorts. That is why they cost more. You start added more luxury to the other resorts, then you have to start raising the prices of those as well.

And here's a concept for you - deluxe resorts make it so there are no issues of size or 'excessive' walking. Such a "radical" thought that guests actually have options other than the Big 3 disney resorts you keep harping on. Such a "radical" notion that there are vertically built resorts such as the Swan and Dolphin and DTD Hilton that are offered at lower rates and also have minimal walking.

And it must be such a burden on the guest to say on the phone to Disney when reserving rooms "we'd like to request a room next to the lobby" Pheww..I'm exhausted after saying that. It was really difficult....

Everyone has a right to their own opinion. But people aren't as uptight about the issue as you seem to be because people understand that there are other options they have at their disposal if they want to reduce the about of their addition walking outside of the parks.
I agree and per my initial post that I got flamed about by Mr. Bus, staffing the extra food station would incur additional costs that would be reflected in your room rate.

But, Mr. Bus is always right.
 

EpcoTim

Well-Known Member
I like that the resorts are really spread out. I like walking the grounds, I like the spread out feeling and not feeling cramped or packed in with tons of others. I like the amount of space it gives them to design and lay out the land.

I guess I've never thought about how far some of the areas are from things. It never really bothered me, but I also walk everywhere anyway. I guess I can see it being annoying if your making constant runs to the lobby or the restaurant or pool or whatever for your kids or wife. That would probably annoy the snot out of me too, but I don't think I'd fault Disney for it.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I agree and per my initial post that I got flamed about by Mr. Bus, staffing the extra food station would incur additional costs that would be reflected in your room rate.

Or maybe Disney could offer a better product for the already inflated price they charge? What a thought...
 

Funfy

Active Member
Or maybe Disney could offer a better product for the already inflated price they charge? What a thought...
I don't feel their prices are inflated. If you compare their landscaping, their offerings, etc. you get a good value for what they charge. They are never cheap, but, they are genius marketers at knowing exactly what people will pay and what to offer at that price.

It is all about supply and demand. If you think their prices are inflated, go somewhere else. If everyone that says they overcharge stops going, then guess what prices drop. If people keep paying the price they are asking, they will continue to charge it. This is basic economics. Disney is a business-bottom line. Disney is not anyones God-given right to attend! They have a bottom line and investors to answer to. They will provide a quality product and charge a certain price for it. If people don't feel they are getting a quality product for what they are paying-stop paying it.

Coming on this website and complaining about the cost of Disney and then paying the cost of Disney will not get you anywhere. Disney knows what they can charge for almost everything they sell. They will only adjust that charge when something is not selling. So, with one of the largest occupancy rates in the leisure industry, I doubt you will see them come off of their "inflated" prices too soon.
 

DisneyLeo18

Active Member
walking in the park isnt a big deal bc you are walkin gto rides and attractions, but when u get back to the hotel at 2 in the morning, especially if you have little kids, and want a quick bite from the counter service or need something from the lobby, sometimes it can be a big deal to walk another couplde miles, or and long distance for that matter. when you get back from the park you want to be able to relax. i find bay lake tower is one of the worst resorts with this..but hey, this is just my opinion

Exactly

After walking all day around the parks you pretty much want to kick off your shoes and relax. Unfortunately (I have experienced) with the deluxe/larger hotels your room is usually further from the lobby, when you want to be in your room/bed ASAP. This isn't limited to WDW, it's in most large cities or vacation spots such as Las Vegas, NYC, LA..
 

laxchik18

Active Member
Exactly

After walking all day around the parks you pretty much want to kick off your shoes and relax. Unfortunately (I have experienced) with the deluxe/larger hotels your room is usually further from the lobby, when you want to be in your room/bed ASAP. This isn't limited to WDW, it's in most large cities or vacation spots such as Las Vegas, NYC, LA..
yay im not the only one! haha:)
 

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