People who visit DW and complain about the walking...

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
I get tired of people complaining about just a 15 minute wait. It's Disney, people! It's not you're normal everyday thing. One of these people was my friend we took to Florida with us. We had already been to Cali this year and he had never been to Florida, let alone THE Magic Kingdom. We surprisingly did a day trip to the MK (compliments of Grandma and Grandpa's magic lamps...long story) Anyway, we payed for his $95 dollar ticket, his $9.99 lunch and dinner, and gas to get us all down there. Not one thank you. No emotion. Don't let him fool you, his face lit up seeing Cindy's castle, who's wouldn't whether it's your 1st or 100th visit, whether you're 6 or 60 ;) One 30 minute wait and boom instant complaining until the sun went down and it cooled off and cleared out. Now, standing in line with him at our local fair (town of 1,500) for the one "thrilling" ride available (maybe a 6 minute wait), he complained AGAIN! I've come to realize some people are just like that...and that we won't bring along anyone on our family vacations :D

I wonder, if on their deathbed, anyone ever looked back on their life and thought, "Gee, I wish I complained more".

I very actively cut complainers out of my life whenever I can. I just don't want that energy around me. My husband's sister is like this...she finds fault in everything. Once, she sent french fries back three times at a restaurant because she said they were not fried crisp enough for her. She's just ridiculous. Somehow, when she's in town visiting, I always seem to have doctor's appointments or shifts volunteering somewhere all day that I just can't reschedule.
 

Patricia Melton

Well-Known Member
Some people complain just to hear themselves complain. Doesnt matter what it is.

The Disney malcontents really seem to revel in it though.

It's like a fetish for them...to take nasty swings at the Mouse.

I think it's sick, frankly. A complete perversion of the parks especially, which are supposed to be the happiest places on Earth...and not fertile ground for malcontents to foster their complaining.
 

woody98

Active Member
The Disney malcontents really seem to revel in it though.

It's like a fetish for them...to take nasty swings at the Mouse.

I think it's sick, frankly. A complete perversion of the parks especially, which are supposed to be the happiest places on Earth...and not fertile ground for malcontents to foster their complaining.
Funny thing is my mom is a complainer but when she's at Disney all is well and no complaints.
 

Funfy

Active Member
They have a kitten?! Lol. Is this your unique phrase or young people slang I don't know?
Sometimes people have cows! More useful that.

I so agree with OP. I have mentioned this time and time again in posts. My Family walks everywhere. From Treehouses to Saratoga proper. From Saratoga to Downtown Disney, etc., etc. We are about to walk about 10-15 miles a day in every park, what are a couple of 100 feet more?!

Not to muddy the waters, but, I get so tired of people complaining about the bus service too! Obviously, they never take Mass Transit in their city. Get over it people. It is free! Come to Atlanta and pay $2.50 to go a couple of city blocks if you need to. Also, if all of us drove, the traffic would be worse than Atlanta's.

You are on vacation....sssslllllloooowwww down! Add the extra 15-20 minutes for the bus. Quit worrying about being so cute in the park (no one cares!) and get comfortable. Get out and move your body before you go to this hot, humid wonderful place and try to walk further than the Peachtree Road Race.

Disney does a great job of moving people around, have built beautiful resorts and resorts with a little green space. If they can't cater to your every wish, go somewhere else-this can't be that relaxing.
 

71dsp

Well-Known Member
You'll find these properties are larger than normal - and why they may put off guests.. and yes, even some who 'did their research' but did't realize the full scale of what they were seeing in those fluffy Disney property maps.

I for one won't stay in these mega properties for primarily that reason. They are too big for their own good.

That's great. You vote with your money. If you don't like it, you don't spend your money on it. If there were enough people that shared the same opinion you do, then the resorts would have occupancy issues and changes would have to be made. However, each time I've visited WDW (always during the "slow" part of the season), these resorts seem to have plenty of people either staying at the resort or visiting during the day. From my casual observations, it seems that the majority of guests do not share your opinion, or they simply don't care enough to not visit the resorts.

.. as if everyone has complete freedom in what they can afford, what is available, how many are in their party, etc.

When you start paying the bills - you will start to understand that not everything is totally up to you and sometimes you have to make compromises to make the larger goal happen.

Instead of blaming the customer - try listening to what the customer's concerns are and see if they are legit.. instead of 'you knew what you were getting into' and blowing them off.

I'm sorry, but every company I've had experience with (and everyone I've talked to with their companies) tailors their products to their customers. If the product doesn't meet customer needs/wants/tastes/expectations, then the customer either doesn't buy in the first place or becomes a one-time customer. I'm sure there are plenty of one-time customers for WDW, but it seems obvious that there are plenty of repeat (and extremely loyal) WDW fans and Disney fans in general. You can't please every customer, and there are some customers that suck up so much company time, resources, and money, that the company is actually better off without that customer. It's an obtuse concept to some, but true.

If you don't like WDW resorts, stay somewhere else. Vote with your money. If enough people do the same, then Disney will surely make changes to cater to the needs of those who would visit but are put out by some aspect of their WDW visit (for you it's the resort size).

Isn't that the wonderful thing about America? We all have the freedom to make these choices. No one is forcing you to go to WDW and no one is forcing you to spend $X to stay at Y hotel. You can pick where you stay, when you visit, how much money you want to spend, etc. :)
 

tdpolo26

Active Member
i never complained about the walking.... but.....i didnt appreciate the room we got at a empty CBR resort....we were so far away from the drinks food and pool... now part of it was my fault i didnt research the motel when we went and went on my wife's friends suggestion. I wouldnt do it again unless i could stay closer. Maybe with the new rfid mugs they will put a fountain machine on the other side of the resort.
 

drew81

Well-Known Member
Two things you need to remember:

1. Many people view the Internet as a place where they can anonymously complain about things so they feel important. They make up a screen name, find a forum to post on, and then attack whatever cultural icon the forum is focused on in every way they can conceive. On this forum, that's Disney. The malcontents complain because the only thing they can offer the world is their complaints, and they do so loudly.

2. The malcontents aggressively find every angle possible to criticize Disney. It reminds me a little of how the paparazzi follow around someone like Britney Spears and bedevil her, taking pictures of her from every angle and then inventing stories to go with the pictures to paint her in the worst light possible. The malcontents do this to Disney every day: actively searching for some new line of attack. If Disney didn't exist, they'd be attacking a TV show, movie, political party, athlete, or Britney Spears no doubt.

I think there's a third thing that some people who aren't necessarily malcontents with Internet obsessions just enjoy making complaining a part of their vacation. They probably have jobs they hate back home and might take umbrage with spending money to go on vacation. As the bills add up, they need a way to vent so they complain about how far it is to walk somewhere.

My husband has relatives like this. Mercifully, we see them only once a year at an annual picnic his family has. I call it "The Bellyache Olympics", held every year, and consisting of different competitions where "The Woeful Martyrs" of my husband's extended family recount their tales of woe from the last time we saw them.

* they had to walk "far" to get from their hotel room to a shuttle, as if their hotel was in Florida and the shuttle was in Georgia
* it was "boiling hot" every day...so hot that the entire state spontaneously combusted
* Disney was "taking money out of their wallet left and right"...as if someone was holding guns to their heads and making them buy this or that

On that last one -- which is a common rallying cry of the malcontents on Disney forums -- I just have to say that I spend $100 every trip I take to WDW each year on souvenirs. I collect fridge magnets, so I always get one of those, and I also collect tee shirts so I get myself one of those on every trip. That's usually about $45 right there. The rest I use to buy my niece and nephew one souvenir each that they get to pick out (after they tell me that it's something they are actually going to use and enjoy and play with or collect...and since they know they are only getting one thing each trip, they usually choose wisely).

We do the dining plan and I've never had to drop a cent more in the parks on food than what I already budgeted when I booked the resort reservations.

The endless complaining from the malcontents would make someone planning a first time vacation to WDW think there's no way a regular family can afford it, so I wish more people would pipe up and share their experiences on how they can make it affordable even when going often.

I think people with positive experiences and dispositions just must not be as vocal online as the malcontents.

Don't forget, people also can set up fake profiles on WDWmagic posing as someone else when they're actually a Disney social media rep. They try to sway reader's opinion by posting pixie dust replies and telling anyone with constructive criticism they're not a Disney fan, they don't care, they would never put down Disney etc. I've seen it happen......

I highly doubt Disney fans on here would be attacking Brittney Spears. Seriously? Many of Disney's hardest critics are their biggest fans. Many on here that post criticism only care about parks and want them to be the best. They know TDO can be better but they choose not to be the best. And yes, Universal does have the best dark ride in Orlando now.

I was one of those that spoke out about the reduction of Fantasmic in 2009. That was a great idea by TDO, wasn't it? That was one of most complained about things ever by guests at Guests Relations. I will be the first to compliment and praise Disney when they do something great and speak my mind, along with others when they make a a bad decision.
 

Funfy

Active Member
Sure it can - you build the property different, or spread the services out more and make them more CONVENIENT to the rooms.

CONVENIENT.. a simple word that describes this thread in a nutshell. It's not a sin to prefer CONVENIENCE and yes properties CAN be built with CONVENIENCE in mind.
Not without rates going sky high-convenience has a price. What are you willing to pay for it?
 

bhg469

Well-Known Member
No, they aren't. I shouldn't have to walk ten minutes to get to any of the restaurants, the pool, the gift shop, the front desk, the main lobby.


What that means is the properties are too spread out. The point is they shouldn't be as spread out as they are. That's what makes them inconvenient.


While that may be true, they certainly don't have to spread out to encompass the size of DHS. Can you imagine being in Pixar Place and having to walk to ToT in order to find a restaurant to eat? That cerainly isn't convenient.


Disney charges extra for that. Isn't that their "Preferred Room" locations?


And in no way is taking a bus within the hotel in order to grab a bite to eat or visit the gift shop convenient. I don't know how anyone can logically argue that!
I can argue that because every single but stops at the main building last except for downtown Disney. You can literally take any bus to get to the front. It is quite convenient.
 

Funfy

Active Member
I wonder, if on their deathbed, anyone ever looked back on their life and thought, "Gee, I wish I complained more".

I very actively cut complainers out of my life whenever I can. I just don't want that energy around me. My husband's sister is like this...she finds fault in everything. Once, she sent french fries back three times at a restaurant because she said they were not fried crisp enough for her. She's just ridiculous. Somehow, when she's in town visiting, I always seem to have doctor's appointments or shifts volunteering somewhere all day that I just can't reschedule.
I agree. Life is too short for complaining. My sister is a fanatic about her food not being hot enough and she practically puts her utensils under a microscope. Karma always stepped in and her food usually had cold spots and out a table of six, she always got the dirty silverware.

Being happy can be done. We are taking my ex-husband, his third wife and stepdaughter with us to Disney this December. It was a choice-amazing how uncomplicated and less stressful life is just with that one decision.

Just be nice. Is that so hard?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Wow. This got pretty hostile for such a mild topic. Here's my 2 cents. The value and moderate resorts tend to be huge and spread out. Economies of scale. Services spread over more rooms equals lower prices. You get what you pay for. Deluxe resorts tend to be smaller with more convenient services and restaurants. You are paying a premium for that convenience. I have never actually stayed at SSR but I think some of the issues revolve around the idea that it is a DVC resort which is synonymous to deluxe so people expect more convenient services. I suspect that a lot of the complaints don't come from DVC members who own there. The complainers are probably cash guests or more likely DVC owners who traded in for it. SSR is almost always available so if someone booked late and couldn't get their home resort or another top choice they may have been "stuck" there. If that is the case they probably go in with a chip on their shoulder. Other than SSR and OkW all of the other DVC resorts have non-bus access to at least 1 park so people may not be as accustomed to taking the bus so much.

Don't take this as a negative review of SSR. I think it looks pretty nice and I plan on staying there on a future trip. This is just my opinion based on things I have seen posted and my own observations. I am an owner at BLT and I have seen many people rip the theme and decor but I like it. You can't let other people's opinions bug you. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
However, each time I've visited WDW (always during the "slow" part of the season), these resorts seem to have plenty of people either staying at the resort or visiting during the day. From my casual observations, it seems that the majority of guests do not share your opinion, or they simply don't care enough to not visit the resorts.
The purpose of these posts was to elaborate on 'why' some people may not like the size and layout of these resorts. After all, that was the topic of this thread. I didn't say my opinion was the only one, or shared by the majority. But what is not opinion is these resorts are huge relative to other properties guests may be more accustomed too. If that bothers you or not, is a personal opinion. But when people who are ok with it are blindly dismissive - they are just as bad as you tried to paint my position.

If you don't like WDW resorts, stay somewhere else. Vote with your money. If enough people do the same, then Disney will surely make changes to cater to the needs of those who would visit but are put out by some aspect of their WDW visit (for you it's the resort size).

Isn't that the wonderful thing about America? We all have the freedom to make these choices. No one is forcing you to go to WDW and no one is forcing you to spend $X to stay at Y hotel. You can pick where you stay, when you visit, how much money you want to spend, etc. :)

Funny - you say how companies must listen to their customers.. then come back with the 'if you don't like it, don't go..' typical dismissive response. A retort that basically equates to 'I have nothing to defend it, so if you dont like it, leave it'.
 

sgtmgd

Well-Known Member
Sure it can - you build the property different, or spread the services out more and make them more CONVENIENT to the rooms.

CONVENIENT.. a simple word that describes this thread in a nutshell. It's not a sin to prefer CONVENIENCE and yes properties CAN be built with CONVENIENCE in mind.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinion...but the sheer enormity of rooms needed at Disney is going to cause soon folks not to be in the most Convenient rooms...Disney properties are theme designed and tend to be more spread out...even the boardwalk has a good walk depending on your room...albeit down long winding carpeted hallways in a temp controlled environment...guess I have a hard time understanding people complaining aboult walking in such a magical place..but then again everyone is entitled to their preferences
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Not without rates going sky high-convenience has a price. What are you willing to pay for it?

Really? You are taking Disney's offering as the 'only way it can be' as opposed to opening your eyes to every other business on the planet. Just because Disney builds everything but deluxe properties at ginormous scale doesn't mean it HAS to be that way.

Even properties like the MGM Grand - which was the largest hotel IN THE WORLD when it opened.. had a smaller footprint for it's rooms than a place like POR.

Yes, they use towers in the MGM - but you can find all kinds of resorts the world over that put services closer to guest rooms without only having towers... and they aren't just 'deluxe' properties.

Heck, just draw a direct local comparison. The Gaylord Palms.. or how about Royal Pacific at Uni? Examples of moderate priced accomodations with far more services than Disney's moderates.. and don't put you a half mile from the food court.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinion...but the sheer enormity of rooms needed at Disney is going to cause soon folks not to be in the most Convenient rooms...Disney properties are theme designed and tend to be more spread out..

So theme dictates how many pools.. or how many food courts.. or how many bus stops.. you can have? How does that work?

You do realize there are far BIGGER hotels that are even more themed then Disney right? 'Theme' is a cop out. Disney built these properties for scale and pushed the limits on how many rooms in low density buildings they could create around one cluster of services. All the mods and values built at the time follow the same formula.. one main cluster of services, surrounded by sprawling buildings with satellite pools. Whenever you need more than one cluster of services, just name it a new resort. Hence, the split in the Pop/Legacy years.. and the split between Music/Movies/Sports.
 

Tinkerbella16

Well-Known Member
I honestly love walking anywhere in WDW.. I'd rather be doing that, than be back in to the real world, going to work all day! The resorts are spread out... I chose POFQ this year because its a solo trip and I just feel more safe staying in a smaller resort and not having to walk far to my room at night.
 

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