People who visit DW and complain about the walking...

[flynnibus]

No the logic is that not every room can be right next to the main bldg...

Sure it can - you build the property different, or spread the services out more and make them more CONVENIENT to the rooms.

CONVENIENT.. a simple word that describes this thread in a nutshell. It's not a sin to prefer CONVENIENCE and yes properties CAN be built with CONVENIENCE in mind.

 

[LivFreeorDisney]

So having 2 plus restaurants, gym, arcade, store and multiple pools isn't convenient?

 

[spacemt354]

Sure it can - you build the property different, or spread the services out more and make them more CONVENIENT to the rooms.

CONVENIENT.. a simple word that describes this thread in a nutshell. It's not a sin to prefer CONVENIENCE and yes properties CAN be built with CONVENIENCE in mind.

The properties are already built with convience in mind. And I feel like spreading out the services across the property will only make them more inconvenient. The main lobby houses the restaurants, shops, etc. Spreading that out across the property will just add to the inconvenience, because if someone wants to eat and then shop, they are gonna have to run around the resort, instead of going to one location.

And for most Deluxe resorts, size and scope is a non-issue. Everything is pretty close to the rooms. It's the Moderate and Value resorts where the "convenience" factor comes into play. But every room cannot be the same distance away from the hotel lobby as the other. Unless every resort is built like a perfect circle, then there are always going to be rooms that are further away from the main lobby than others. If convenience is something that you prefer on your vacations, you can always request a room closer to the lobby. We have done this several times when staying at Coronado Springs. We request the Casitas area because it's pretty close to everything, and Disney has always accommodated us. And at Coronado Springs, if you stay in the Ranchos or Cabanas areas, there is a bus that is very reliable and goes around the property dropping you off at the lobby, if walking was an issue. But really it's only 10 minutes max from the furthest room in Ranchos to the lobby, and I would say that is the universal maximum time from room to lobby for the other moderate and values as well.

 

[LivFreeorDisney]

I didnt make this post to call out "fatties"or "lazy" people. I just hate the fact that people will give a great resort a low score because they didn't get a room near the elevator or the hallways are long. My standard for hotels comes from Disney and anytime we stay in hotel or resort away from Disney, we always compare them and nothing stands out like the SSR or BWV or any other Disney resort.

I'll be the first to admit it, my feet kill at the end of each day. But that's not the resorts fault that I decided to walk 20 miles today before returning to my room. Maybe next time I'll walk 19 and save the last mile for the hallway.

 

[Powerline]

speaking of walking, I detest the people who complain about the slow walking more so than the people who walk slow.

Stop tailgating a person if you don't like them walking slow.

 

[fosse76]

The properties are already built with convience in mind.

No, they aren't. I shouldn't have to walk ten minutes to get to any of the restaurants, the pool, the gift shop, the front desk, the main lobby.

And I feel like spreading out the services across the property will only make them more inconvenient. The main lobby houses the restaurants, shops, etc. Spreading that out across the property will just add to the inconvenience, because if someone wants to eat and then shop, they are gonna have to run around the resort, instead of going to one location.

What that means is the properties are too spread out. The point is they shouldn't be as spread out as they are. That's what makes them inconvenient.

And for most Deluxe resorts, size and scope is a non-issue. Everything is pretty close to the rooms. It's the Moderate and Value resorts where the "convenience" factor comes into play. But every room cannot be the same distance away from the hotel lobby as the other. Unless every resort is built like a perfect circle, then there are always going to be rooms that are further away from the main lobby than others.

While that may be true, they certainly don't have to spread out to encompass the size of DHS. Can you imagine being in Pixar Place and having to walk to ToT in order to find a restaurant to eat? That cerainly isn't convenient.

If convenience is something that you prefer on your vacations, you can always request a room closer to the lobby. We have done this several times when staying at Coronado Springs. We request the Casitas area because it's pretty close to everything, and Disney has always accommodated us.

Disney charges extra for that. Isn't that their "Preferred Room" locations?

And at Coronado Springs, if you stay in the Ranchos or Cabanas areas, there is a bus that is very reliable and goes around the property dropping you off at the lobby, if walking was an issue. But really it's only 10 minutes max from the furthest room in Ranchos to the lobby, and I would say that is the universal maximum time from room to lobby for the other moderate and values as well.

And in no way is taking a bus within the hotel in order to grab a bite to eat or visit the gift shop convenient. I don't know how anyone can logically argue that!

 

[71dsp]

My feet hurt after a long day at the parks, but I don't mind the walk. I could use the exercise!

 

[71dsp]

No, they aren't. I shouldn't have to walk ten minutes to get to any of the restaurants, the pool, the gift shop, the front desk, the main lobby.

...If I have to walk ten minutes there, and back, each time, I am tempted to just not bother and flip on the tv instead.

Then why do you stay at that resort? Vote with your dollars and stay somewhere else. I don't get it. If I don't like a hotel, I certainly wouldn't stay there...

 

[TaraWdopeyfan]

I've only stayed at the Port Orleans French Quarter and i thought it was laid out nice and didn't seem like any building was to far away from the main building

 

[flynnibus]

The properties are already built with convience in mind. And I feel like spreading out the services across the property will only make them more inconvenient. The main lobby houses the restaurants, shops, etc. Spreading that out across the property will just add to the inconvenience, because if someone wants to eat and then shop, they are gonna have to run around the resort, instead of going to one location.

*facepalm*

You don't put one thing in one area and force the other stuff far away - you duplicate services so they are closer to guests. Like they do to a limited degree with buses and pools today.

And for most Deluxe resorts, size and scope is a non-issue. Everything is pretty close to the rooms. It's the Moderate and Value resorts where the "convenience" factor comes into play. But every room cannot be the same distance away from the hotel lobby as the other. Unless every resort is built like a perfect circle, then there are always going to be rooms that are further away from the main lobby than others

Or maybe you make smaller resorts so it's not such an issue...
Or maybe you duplicate services so rooms aren't as far...

The biggest issue is simply the size of some of these resorts. As you noted, not all resorts are this big nor do they 'have' to be that big.

 

[Patricia Melton]

Two things you need to remember:

1. Many people view the Internet as a place where they can anonymously complain about things so they feel important. They make up a screen name, find a forum to post on, and then attack whatever cultural icon the forum is focused on in every way they can conceive. On this forum, that's Disney. The malcontents complain because the only thing they can offer the world is their complaints, and they do so loudly.

2. The malcontents aggressively find every angle possible to criticize Disney. It reminds me a little of how the paparazzi follow around someone like Britney Spears and bedevil her, taking pictures of her from every angle and then inventing stories to go with the pictures to paint her in the worst light possible. The malcontents do this to Disney every day: actively searching for some new line of attack. If Disney didn't exist, they'd be attacking a TV show, movie, political party, athlete, or Britney Spears no doubt.

I think there's a third thing that some people who aren't necessarily malcontents with Internet obsessions just enjoy making complaining a part of their vacation. They probably have jobs they hate back home and might take umbrage with spending money to go on vacation. As the bills add up, they need a way to vent so they complain about how far it is to walk somewhere.

My husband has relatives like this. Mercifully, we see them only once a year at an annual picnic his family has. I call it "The Bellyache Olympics", held every year, and consisting of different competitions where "The Woeful Martyrs" of my husband's extended family recount their tales of woe from the last time we saw them.

* they had to walk "far" to get from their hotel room to a shuttle, as if their hotel was in Florida and the shuttle was in Georgia
* it was "boiling hot" every day...so hot that the entire state spontaneously combusted
* Disney was "taking money out of their wallet left and right"...as if someone was holding guns to their heads and making them buy this or that

On that last one -- which is a common rallying cry of the malcontents on Disney forums -- I just have to say that I spend $100 every trip I take to WDW each year on souvenirs. I collect fridge magnets, so I always get one of those, and I also collect tee shirts so I get myself one of those on every trip. That's usually about $45 right there. The rest I use to buy my niece and nephew one souvenir each that they get to pick out (after they tell me that it's something they are actually going to use and enjoy and play with or collect...and since they know they are only getting one thing each trip, they usually choose wisely).

We do the dining plan and I've never had to drop a cent more in the parks on food than what I already budgeted when I booked the resort reservations.

The endless complaining from the malcontents would make someone planning a first time vacation to WDW think there's no way a regular family can afford it, so I wish more people would pipe up and share their experiences on how they can make it affordable even when going often.

I think people with positive experiences and dispositions just must not be as vocal online as the malcontents.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Then why do you stay at that resort?

I don't! I'm Disney-savvy and know how to work Google Earth.

I think the people who complain about walking distances, are people caught unawares by the size of some of WDW's more sprawling resorts.

Last weekend, I took my three nieces with me to the zoo. It was half a day. Tugging along three children, hauling their gear around, getting food, drinks, making sure they all stayed alive. It was hard work. When I got home, all I wanted was cup of tea and a comfy couch.
Now imagine having to do that for a week, or two, every day. People would take into account things such as 'distance to the bus stop', 'distance to breakfast'. Or wish they had...

 

[spacemt354]

No, they aren't. I shouldn't have to walk ten minutes to get to any of the restaurants, the pool, the gift shop, the front desk, the main lobby.

Nobody is forcing you to stay at those resorts. Do research or ask questions. The only people who complain about walking 10 minutes are the people who did not do the proper research beforehand, and did not know what they were getting into.

What that means is the properties are too spread out. The point is they shouldn't be as spread out as they are. That's what makes them inconvenient.

Again, Moderates and Values typically have more rooms than deluxe. And more rooms likely equates to more land, and more walking. Part of the Deluxe package is being close to restaurants, the lobby, transportation, etc. If walking is truly that much of an inconvenience, then take a bus, or don't stay at the large resorts.

While that may be true, they certainly don't have to spread out to encompass the size of DHS. Can you imagine being in Pixar Place and having to walk to ToT in order to find a restaurant to eat? That cerainly isn't convenient.

To find a restaurant? The one or two food options at the moderate or value resorts are not the only dining locations on WDW property. And on a week long vacation, how many times are you really going to use the one sit-down restaurant the mod or value resort offers (if it even has one)? If it is such an inconvenience walking 10 minutes to eat, people must go crazy having to walk 20 minutes from the Epcot entrance gate all the way to countries in World Showcase.

Disney charges extra for that. Isn't that their "Preferred Room" locations?

Nope, not true. Casitas, Ranchos, and Cabanas are all the same rate. They don't 100% guarantee your room when you make a request, but we have never had an issue with asking for Casitas, which is close to the lobby of Coronado Springs.

And in no way is taking a bus within the hotel in order to grab a bite to eat or visit the gift shop convenient. I don't know how anyone can logically argue that!

Again, nobody is forcing you to stay at these resorts. If you do research, you will find that not all resorts are like this. And even within the resorts that are, there are rooms you can request, or just get by chance, that are closer to the lobby, if that is so important.

 

[spacemt354]

You don't put one thing in one area and force the other stuff far away - you duplicate services so they are closer to guests. Like they do to a limited degree with buses and pools today.

Duplicating services? So you would want duplications of the same gift shops, restaurants, and lobbies scattered throughout the moderate and value resorts?

If these services are what you want, deluxe resorts offer all of these amenities that are close to the guests. That is what separates deluxe resorts, and their much higher premiums, from the moderate and value resorts. *facepalm*

 

[flynnibus]

spacemt.. since this format is so wonderful - go out and find more hotels these sizes around the US. Just try to find some.. and compare what the resorts you come across look like vs the massive sprawling resorts Disney built as mods and values.

You'll find these properties are larger than normal - and why they may put off guests.. and yes, even some who 'did their research' but did't realize the full scale of what they were seeing in those fluffy Disney property maps.

I for one won't stay in these mega properties for primarily that reason. They are too big for their own good.

 

[spacemt354]

and yes, even some who 'did their research' but did't realize the full scale of what they were seeing in those fluffy Disney property maps.

I for one won't stay in these mega properties for primarily that reason. They are too big for their own good.

Google Earth is at everyone's disposal for research purposes, and that doesn't have the "fluff" of Disney maps.

And okay then, don't stay there. I'm not pitching the large resorts to you. I'm not pitching anything. It's just foolish for people to complain about walking at a resort they chose to stay at.

 

[flynnibus]

And okay then, don't stay there. I'm not pitching the large resorts to you. I'm not pitching anything. It's just foolish for people to complain about walking at a resort they chose to stay at.

.. as if everyone has complete freedom in what they can afford, what is available, how many are in their party, etc. And name one Disney Moderate that isn't setup like this? The closest you can get that isn't one of the mega sprawl resorts is the wilderness cabins and POFQ. Many of the others are actually bigger than some of the theme parks themselves!

When you start paying the bills - you will start to understand that not everything is totally up to you and sometimes you have to make compromises to make the larger goal happen.

Instead of blaming the customer - try listening to what the customer's concerns are and see if they are legit.. instead of 'you knew what you were getting into' and blowing them off.

 

[ImagineerDude]

I get tired of people complaining about just a 15 minute wait. It's Disney, people! It's not you're normal everyday thing. One of these people was my friend we took to Florida with us. We had already been to Cali this year and he had never been to Florida, let alone THE Magic Kingdom. We surprisingly did a day trip to the MK (compliments of Grandma and Grandpa's magic lamps...long story) Anyway, we payed for his $95 dollar ticket, his $9.99 lunch and dinner, and gas to get us all down there. Not one thank you. No emotion. Don't let him fool you, his face lit up seeing Cindy's castle, who's wouldn't whether it's your 1st or 100th visit, whether you're 6 or 60 One 30 minute wait and boom instant complaining until the sun went down and it cooled off and cleared out. Now, standing in line with him at our local fair (town of 1,500) for the one "thrilling" ride available (maybe a 6 minute wait), he complained AGAIN! I've come to realize some people are just like that...and that we won't bring along anyone on our family vacations

 

[spacemt354]

Thanks for the tips flynnibus. Ironically, I actually help "paying the bills" for our disney trips, just fyi next time you want to make a false assumption about me.

And also, I don't work for Disney. So...I'm not blaming any customers, nor do I have to waste my time trying to fix your complaints. And yes, everyone's monetary situation is different. But I don't know why anyone would expect to have the amentities such as convenience of location in a deluxe resort for a mod or value price. They have their pros and cons. But if you are going to stay at those large resorts and whine and pout about the size, then I have no clue why you would stay there. That's not blowing anyone off, that's just common sense.

If large resorts are not your thing and you can't afford a deluxe,then stay at POFQ, or the cabins, or any of the All-Star Resorts, or Pop-Century, Art of Animation. None of those are really that big, and they are all at the more affordable rate. But if you ware going to stay at one of the Big 3 (Coronado, Caribbean, or Riverside), you should understand that you might have to walk further to some places. And to a lot of families, including my own, the walking doesn't matter. People enjoy the walk because it's good exercise, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[woody98]

Some people complain just to hear themselves complain. Doesnt matter what it is.