Cmdr_Crimson
Well-Known Member
Better day to go to Fun Spot or Old Town..
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
News Peak season crowds have arrived
- Thread starter wdwmagic
- Start date
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Unfortunately I agree with your assessment here, WDW is being run at the moment under a value extraction model. The Morlocks at TDO have no view beyond the next quarterly results
Unfortunately the army of Morlocks in pricing have FORGOTTEN that Disney is a business built on what the tech industry calls 'High Touch' once that advantage is lost, The whole edifice begins to crumble, Before this current value extraction model WDW inspired lifetime loyalty with many of the people visiting multiple time over decades even visiting multiple times per year.
Now it's 'one and done' and the bad experiences are starting to pile up, What happens when the average person on talking to previous WDW visitors decides 'its crowded and not worth it'.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
We are a lot closer than Disney realizes,
TheDuke
Well-Known Member
You people are delusional if you think Disney is going to make a concerted effort to get less people to come to their parks. When has a business ever done something like that?
The only way the parks are getting less crowded is if the quality of the park dramatically decreases. Like, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Peter Pan, and Be Our Guest close and are replaced by Stitch dance parties.
The only way the parks are getting less crowded is if the quality of the park dramatically decreases. Like, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Peter Pan, and Be Our Guest close and are replaced by Stitch dance parties.
Disney did starting two years ago with price increases surpassing inflation, surge pricing, and black out dates. All designed to deflate the peak times when there are more guests than can be comfortably accommodated. Now, at the same time, they also tried to raise attendance in the traditional off-peak time with the usual discounts and special events (more festivals and hard-ticket stuff). And it worked. In 2016, according to TEA, attendance dropped 1%, which Iger admitted to. But, Iger was also pleased to announce that income went up with that drop because people were spending more than a 1% increase in ticket prices, fees, and special events.
Chef Mickey
Well-Known Member
It's not far-fetched when you're trying to maintain a quality experience. It's going to come at the cost of increased prices for guests they do allow in, but it's definitely on the radar. It can't be a beating to go to Disney and it's becoming that way. They don't want that.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
The key of course is 'Quality Experience', Current management has shown they don't care about a quality experience for the average guest.
Yes it's become a beating to go to WDW, If there is a problem with your room it should NOT require a member of your party to camp out at the front desk to get it fixed, You should not have to wait hours after official check in time for your room because TDO is too cheap to adequately staff mousekeeping, There shouldn't be room service trays in the halls for days on end because no staff available to collect them.
I don't want freebies, I just want a trouble free vacation and increasingly that's something that WDW is unable to deliver even though WDW makes you jump through hoops for simple things like ADR's
WDW is SUPPOSED to be a premium experience, Recently it's been anything but.
Last edited:
stop right there
You've been, what, twice in ten years and you've sworn never to go again. What you want is irrelevant. So don't lie about what WDW is increasingly unable to deliver when you haven't been experiencing it nor will you ever again.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Bzzt Wrong up to 2015 we went 3x per year. After a complete cluster during the 2017 marathon then I swore never to visit again and sold our DVC points
jakeman
Well-Known Member
A cluster that has been proven to not have happened by your own post.
The point stands though, if you've sworn never to visit again and you've admitted, twice, that your only reason for hanging around this website is to troll people who still enjoy the experience, then your opinion is invalid.
Well, maybe not invalid, but it doesn't make much sense for you to be sharing it among a group who still enjoy Disney and plan to continue going...
disneyflush
Well-Known Member
I think a certain segment of the board population is passionate about Disney and the theme parks but doesn't necessarily enjoy it or plan to go anytime soon. That may not make a lot of sense to people who love it and post mostly positive things. The blanket statement of 'who still enjoy Disney and plan to continue going...' might be replaced with 'who feel strongly about Disney and plan to continue discussing it...' which would make his desire to post here completely understandable.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I don't know...seems like doing the internet equivalent of walking into a crowded room and just yelling stuff designed to **** people off isn't sharing a real opinion; it's just being a nuisance.
Again, in the context of a Walt Disney World discuss board, @ford91exploder has twice now stated that his intent is to irritate other posters. So his desire to post here has no validity when it comes to the topic at hand.
It's probably how he really feels about things, and whether or not his experiences as he's related them are absolutely true or somewhat embellished, he's certainly within his rights to express his opinion.
But many, like me, wonder why he would even bother. He's already sold his stake in DVC, and he doesn't plan to ever go again.
There are people like me who can understand that position, and accept it, but you only need to say it once or twice before it quickly becomes tiresome. I for one am disappointed at the direction Disney's taking but for now still see some value in going down periodically to experience the parks. I will express that opinion when the occasion arises. I may occasionally rise an occasion myself.
As I said recently, though, my trip this fall will be my last, at least until all the updates/upgrades currently in the pipeline are done. And if that doesn't happen soon enough, this will be my very last trip.
"El Gran Magnifico"
Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
So just a question.
Right now MK's average attendance is what? about 55,000 day. Let's assume everybody is paying 1 day ticket prices at about $120 (I know, I know...just humor me).
If Disney picked an arbitrary Saturday say 6-9 months out and marketed it --- Could they target the right crowd to get 15,000 people that day that would pay $1,000 per person (Child and Adult) and create a "special event day" at MK? Before you dismiss this - think about it. If you had the disposable income to fork over $4k for a family of four, knowing it really wouldn't make a dent for you personally, and knowing that you would be sharing the park from say 9am to Midnight with at max 14,996 other people ( and that's assuming they stay the entire 15 hours). You'd pretty much get on every ride with minimal to no wait, could probably walk into TS, meet every character etc, etc........Do you think Disney could fill that day?
Now do the math at 55,000 guests x $120 vs 15,000 guests at $1,000. (The increase in admission more than offsets any loss in ancillary spend.)
Now again....could Disney fill that day? I would answer...yes...they could.
Right now MK's average attendance is what? about 55,000 day. Let's assume everybody is paying 1 day ticket prices at about $120 (I know, I know...just humor me).
If Disney picked an arbitrary Saturday say 6-9 months out and marketed it --- Could they target the right crowd to get 15,000 people that day that would pay $1,000 per person (Child and Adult) and create a "special event day" at MK? Before you dismiss this - think about it. If you had the disposable income to fork over $4k for a family of four, knowing it really wouldn't make a dent for you personally, and knowing that you would be sharing the park from say 9am to Midnight with at max 14,996 other people ( and that's assuming they stay the entire 15 hours). You'd pretty much get on every ride with minimal to no wait, could probably walk into TS, meet every character etc, etc........Do you think Disney could fill that day?
Now do the math at 55,000 guests x $120 vs 15,000 guests at $1,000. (The increase in admission more than offsets any loss in ancillary spend.)
Now again....could Disney fill that day? I would answer...yes...they could.
PeakSeason
Well-Known Member
I'd do it. I'd do it once a year. I'm not sure your theoretical situation works out for Disney financially though because there'd be a major decrease in overall food and merchandise sales for that day.
backinaction
Well-Known Member
Yup i thought the same thing. Those 30k missing people would cost Disney a lot in Food and souvenirs. also parking?
aprincessatlasst
Active Member
If I had that kind of money where dropping 4k did not make a dent for a days entertainment, I would not be spending it at an amusement park. I would be spending it on more luxurious things. If I did choose to go I would just get a plaid for the day and do it all at DL like most celebrities.
As far as could disney fill the day? Honestly no I don't believe they could. If they did, that well would run dry quick. Lets not forget the Magic Kingdom private hours where it only sells for a fraction and does not always fill up without discounts for AP's etc. So I am going with no. WDW is made for the bulk of the middle class not high rollers, thats Vegas, St Barts, and Aspen. lol
Last edited: