News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

[spacemt354]

Your argument is that the ride is themed to a boardwalk wooden coaster. That is true, but the rest of the pier is what constructs that theme, not any theming on the ride itself. There is no theming on the ride itself. That is my point.

Your point contradicted itself. You just admitted the ride is themed to a boardwalk wooden coaster. So how can it be themed to something, but have no theme?

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The ride is themed to look like a wooden roller coaster instead of just being a wooden roller coaster. How...meta and unnecessary.

 

[FigmentForver96]

I disagree here. I much prefer DL to WDW at the moment. Nothing at WDW is as immersive as Carsland. Heck, I'd say Buena Vista Street rivals anything at WDW in immersion.

And this is an argument for another board, but I think TSL will be far more incoherent and uninteresting then Pixar Pier. I mean, just look at the TSLs that have already been built abroad. The accusation of "Six Flags-esque theming" is much more suitably applied to TSL than Pixar Pier.

Hollywood and Sunset Blvd?
Pandora
Africa
Asia

All highly detailed to create an environment that is immersive. In fact 75% of Animal Kingdom is probably just as immersive as Carsland.

 

[Tom Morrow]

The ride is themed to look like a wooden roller coaster instead of just being a wooden roller coaster. How...meta and unnecessary.

A wooden roller coaster can't have launches and, until recently, inversions. An old fasioned boardwalk would not have a modern roller coaster. It's minimal but not unnecessary.

 

[lazyboy97o]

A wooden roller coaster can't have launches and, until recently, inversions.

Lightning Rod at Dollywood has a launch.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

There is no theming on the ride itself. That is my point.

What? The story is that you're on a classic wooden coaster. What "theme" should be happening besides a fresh breeze as you zip along? Please elaborate.

 

[alias8703]

Lightning Rod at Dollywood has a launch.

It's literally the first of it's kind and it opened last year. It's also been plagued with issues since opening.

 

[alias8703]

Your point contradicted itself. You just admitted the ride is themed to a boardwalk wooden coaster. So how can it be themed to something, but have no theme?

No.

What? The story is that you're on a classic wooden coaster. What "theme" should be happening besides a fresh breeze as you zip along? Please elaborate.

The ride itself is not themed to be a boardwalk wooden coaster. It's designed to look like a wooden coaster. If you take away Paradise Pier and ITS boardwalk theme, that's all you'd be left with. A steel coaster designed to look like its wooden. That's not really a theme. By those standards Colussus at Magic Mountain is a Carnival Themed Wooden Coaster, because it's in a carnival themed area. Further proof of lack of theme in the name California Screamin'. And the non themed boarding station and queue. The only element that technically could qualify as actual ride theming would be the soundtrack.
The "theme" you are talking about does not come from the ride itself but the area it is located in.

 

[SuddenStorm]

If you take away Paradise Pier and ITS boardwalk theme, that's all you'd be left with. A steel coaster designed to look like its wooden.

By this logic, Main Street isn't themed since if I took away the building facades and the lights, all I'd be left with is your standard 1950's building.

Or, the Matterhorn isn't themed since if you take away the Swiss mountain facade, you'd be left with a steel coaster inside a tall building.

Or, Space Mountain isn't themed since if you turn on the lights you have yet another coaster in a building.

The point is, CA Screamin does have the boardwalk theme- because of its location, simple queue, and the steel coaster designed to look wooden.

 

[SuddenStorm]

No one is making the argument that CA Screamin is Indiana Jones level of immersiveness, design, and attention to detail- we're just making the point that the ride is themed as a boardwalk coaster. Whether or not you think this was executed well is your prerogative, but to deny that there is any theme at all is a bit ridiculous.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No.



The ride itself is not themed to be a boardwalk wooden coaster. It's designed to look like a wooden coaster. If you take away Paradise Pier and ITS boardwalk theme, that's all you'd be left with. A steel coaster designed to look like its wooden. That's not really a theme. By those standards Colussus at Magic Mountain is a Carnival Themed Wooden Coaster, because it's in a carnival themed area. Further proof of lack of theme in the name California Screamin'. And the non themed boarding station and queue. The only element that technically could qualify as actual ride theming would be the soundtrack.
The "theme" you are talking about does not come from the ride itself but the area it is located in.

Theme doesn’t exist in isolation, it is built on connections.

 

[alias8703]

By this logic, Main Street isn't themed since if I took away the building facades and the lights, all I'd be left with is your standard 1950's building.

Or, the Matterhorn isn't themed since if you take away the Swiss mountain facade, you'd be left with a steel coaster inside a tall building.

Or, Space Mountain isn't themed since if you turn on the lights you have yet another coaster in a building.

The point is, CA Screamin does have the boardwalk theme- because of its location, simple queue, and the steel coaster designed to look wooden.

Ohhhhh boy. Lol.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The ride itself is not themed to be a boardwalk wooden coaster. It's designed to look like a wooden coaster. If you take away Paradise Pier and ITS boardwalk theme, that's all you'd be left with. A steel coaster designed to look like its wooden. That's not really a theme. By those standards Colussus at Magic Mountain is a Carnival Themed Wooden Coaster, because it's in a carnival themed area. Further proof of lack of theme in the name California Screamin'. And the non themed boarding station and queue. The only element that technically could qualify as actual ride theming would be the soundtrack.
The "theme" you are talking about does not come from the ride itself but the area it is located in.

Huh??

 

[Hattieboxghost110]

DHS has the brown derby for their signature restaurant and Chinese Theater as their main weenie.

The whole park (DHS) to me has more of a "Hollywood Land" vibe than a "Buena Vista Street" vibe. Notable exceptions include TOT, Brown Derby, Chinese Theater.


Not very inspiring gift shop, awkwardly placed right at the entrance of the park.

Very cheap looking Art Deco

Not Imagineers' best work. Sorry Gertie

I have an idea. Let's stick a giant guitar in front of a warehouse. Genius.

Speakin' of warehouses...If you're a lover of warehouse architecture, you're in luck. They are plastered all over the park!

Well at least DHS is a real working studio where the warehouses serve a functional production purpose. Oh wait...

Nothing says HOLLYWOOD, like PLANET HOLLYWOOD!

All that being said, this park is all about the shows. The secret is that they keep the shows fresh and innovative such as Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular. It debuted in 1989 and is only 28 years old young!

Last, but certainly not least, is the showstopper of the park. The Maleficent Dragon in Fantasmic is certainly a sight to behold.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The giant objects in DHS aka MGM are examples of what I believe is called novelty architecture, which can be found throughout CA to this day and Imagineers seem to have an affinity for. For example, the Gertie dino can be directly compared to the famous Cabazon Dinosaurs, even the content. Gertie is a glorified ice cream stand, the Cabazon dinos are glorified gift shops. These days, they're owned by creationists. Who let that happen?

Anyway, it's what I would describe as tacky but charming. As for the warehouses aka the studio theme, you'll get no argument from me. They get it right on certain attractions from certain angles such as Star Tours and Muppet*Vision, but they just didn't bother trying to conceal these industrial buildings. It's the "theme", but it's an ugly one. Unfortunately, DCA is plagued with this issue as well and the theming is typically uglier. The Hollywood Pictures Backlot is definitely dodgier. In some cases, there are ugly buildings visible in areas where it doesn't remotely make sense, such as:

Drought-resistant hedgehog plants. I don't see enough of those in SoCal...

 

[Californian Elitist]

Why are we still talking about DHS in this thread?

 

[flynnibus]

But California Screamin never had any theme... Talk about terrible names for rides.... California Screamin?

The name makes great sense for what they did for DCA v1 - it's a pun. The sun tied into the wheel and the entrance plaza. The attraction fits perfectly for the land... and the entire woodie look was theming to the setting of the pier. The coaster's look still stands out today.

The issue is the whole pun theme for DCA didn't really resonate and the failure of the park makes all the puns a throwback to the worst elements of dca's past.

Screamin most certainly had theming and dress - it just never had (nor did it need) a story of its own. It also did not take the theme into the ride experience itself... where it never attempted to play itself off as the woodie once you entered the attraction.

 

[flynnibus]

No.



The ride itself is not themed to be a boardwalk wooden coaster. It's designed to look like a wooden coaster. If you take away Paradise Pier and ITS boardwalk theme, that's all you'd be left with. A steel coaster designed to look like its wooden. That's not really a theme. By those standards Colussus at Magic Mountain is a Carnival Themed Wooden Coaster, because it's in a carnival themed area. Further proof of lack of theme in the name California Screamin'. And the non themed boarding station and queue. The only element that technically could qualify as actual ride theming would be the soundtrack.
The "theme" you are talking about does not come from the ride itself but the area it is located in.

An oil lamp sitting in an empty room is just an oil lamp. Put it in a decorated room, it can become an 1800 century study. Your cite is true, but is misapplied. Items do not need to stand proud all alone to be "themed" - and in general it's the ensemble that actually is far more important in making the idea work. The ride experience is a modern coaster... that doesn't discount the rest of the placemaking of the ride as it works to setup the pier.

 

[malice]

If the bridge acted more in the way the train tunnels do on Main Street, it'd be wonderful. I believe there's a monorail bridge you head under at Tokyo DisneySea to enter into the park, isn't there?

Nope, there’s a monorail station right outside the entrance but guests funnel through a shop corridor below the Miracosta Hotel into the park proper. It’s a really beautiful reveal of Mt. Prometheus and the fortress sitting across the lagoon.

 

[flynnibus]

Why are we still talking about DHS in this thread?

Because apparently people don't study before becoming internet critics. Hint @Hattieboxghost110 this link may help you...http://www.onlywdworld.com/2010/09/disneys-hollywood-studios-crossroads-of.html