News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

[Deleted member 107043]

But California Screamin never had any theme...

Of course it did. The ride is an homage to classic "woodies" at seaside amusement piers and parks around the State.

A few still remain. The Giant Dipper in Santa Cruz built in 1924...

...and The Giant Dipper at Belmont Park in San Diego built in 1925 (AKA the Mission Beach Roller Coaster).

 

[alias8703]

Of course it did. The ride is an homage to classic "woodies" at seaside amusement piers and parks around the State.

A few still remain. The Giant Dipper in Santa Cruz built in 1924...

...and The Giant Dipper at Belmont Park in San Diego built in 1925 (AKA the Mission Beach Roller Coaster).

I think arguing that that's a theme is a bit of a stretch.

 

[britain]

I think arguing that that's a theme is a bit of a stretch.

The fact that the majority of the steel beams in the Screamin' structure actually do not bear any load but are decorative is proof that they were going for this look / theme.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Exactly. The entire freakin' structure is themed. That was their way of building an exposed track coaster and keeping it "in theme." I'm not saying it's super immersive, but it's not unthemed.

If anything, the fact that its supposed to look like an old fashioned wooden roller coaster is totally jarring to theming it to The Incredibles.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I think arguing that that's a theme is a bit of a stretch.

It's all theatrics, just like most everything else at the parks at DLR. Ask yourself is Cali Screamin' an authentic period wooden coaster? Is Paradise Bay part of the Pacific Ocean? Is Paradise Pier an actual pier at the California seaside? If you can't answer yes to one or more of those questions then it's a fake place dressed up to look like a seaside pier. You know, like Buena Vista Street, New Orleans Square, and Frontierland. In other words it's a theme.

 

[britain]

Exactly. The entire freakin' structure is themed. That was their way of building an exposed track coaster and keeping it "in theme." I'm not saying it's super immersive, but it's not unthemed.

If anything, the fact that its supposed to look like an old fashioned wooden roller coaster is totally jarring to theming it to The Incredibles.

I agree - while I'm sure the Incredibles addition will add moments of higher quality, these changes mean now Disney is guilty of the same sort of "Paint the coaster black and call it Batman" method of attraction design that Six Flags uses.

 

[spacemt354]

I think arguing that that's a theme is a bit of a stretch.

I don't think you actually know what 'theme' means...

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Side note. As much as I enjoy Buena Vista Street at DCA, its size and location smack dab at the entrance to the park is an issue.

The monorail bridge through the middle doesn't help either. It ruins the view of the theater from the end of the street when you enter the park.

 

[Tom Morrow]

It's interesting that people don't know that most of the support structure for California Screamin' is superfluous and only there for theme.

 

[TROR]

The monorail bridge through the middle doesn't help either. It ruins the view of the theater from the end of the street when you enter the park.

If the bridge acted more in the way the train tunnels do on Main Street, it'd be wonderful. I believe there's a monorail bridge you head under at Tokyo DisneySea to enter into the park, isn't there?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Yup. But that was when the only real image they shared was this one, which was an extension of the 2008 Victorian re-theme of the 2001 Paul Pressler cheap-out theme.

But is that even still part of the plan? Now they are moving Flik's Flyers to the old Maliboomer pad themed to Inside Out, and turning the California Screamin' load station into a bizarre combination of an old Trader Vic's and a random drive-in restaurant circa 1960. It just seems weird and slapped together now.

Maybe they didn't pick the best concept art? Or maybe they still don't know what they are really doing because John Lasseter can't sober up long enough for a full creative review meeting? And is Michael Colglazier also drunk? I can't think of any other explanation here other than all the senior execs are drunk most of the time. Seriously.

I love the guy scratching his head on the left in that rending.

Even the fake people in the drawings of Pixar Pier are like "what am I lookng it here?".

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The plan they had to fix PP back in 2010 was nicer and more cohesive looking...but I guess it wasn't "INCREDIBLE".

 

[lazyboy97o]

The plan they had to fix PP back in 2010 was nicer and more cohesive looking...but I guess it wasn't "INCREDIBLE".

Even that plan suffered from a lot of the same problem of being "better" through unrelated character branding.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Even that plan suffered from a lot of the same problem of being "better" through unrelated character branding.

But slapping a giant Mickey face on the wheel and bulding a Toy Story ride apparently wasn't enough.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The plan they had to fix PP back in 2010 was nicer and more cohesive looking...but I guess it wasn't "INCREDIBLE".

It's disappointing that they never built the proposed canopy for the Carousel as shown in that model. It looks beautiful.

 

[alias8703]

I don't think you actually know what 'theme' means...

Thank you oh so much for your insight into what I know and don't know oh marvelous wise one!!!

It's interesting that people don't know that most of the support structure for California Screamin' is superfluous and only there for theme.

I know this as well. Anyone who thinks this is a wooden coaster is a little... wooden.

Your argument is that the ride is themed to a boardwalk wooden coaster. That is true, but the rest of the pier is what constructs that theme, not any theming on the ride itself. There is no theming on the ride itself. That is my point.

 

[brb1006]

I disagree here. I much prefer DL to WDW at the moment. Nothing at WDW is as immersive as Carsland. Heck, I'd say Buena Vista Street rivals anything at WDW in immersion.

And this is an argument for another board, but I think TSL will be far more incoherent and uninteresting then Pixar Pier. I mean, just look at the TSLs that have already been built abroad. The accusation of "Six Flags-esque theming" is much more suitably applied to TSL than Pixar Pier.

What about Animal Kingdom? It look so good at night.

 

[alias8703]

It's disappointing that they never built the proposed canopy for the Carousel as shown in that model. It looks beautiful.

I agree I still don't understand what I'm looking at in the new concept art... are they really raising the mirrored walls?!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Your argument is that the ride is themed to a boardwalk wooden coaster. That is true, but the rest of the pier is what constructs that theme, not any theming on the ride itself. There is no theming on the ride itself. That is my point.

There is no "theming" on the Main Street Vehicles.

 

[britain]

I agree I still don't understand what I'm looking at in the new concept art... are they really raising the mirrored walls?!

No, that’s just sloppy illustrating.