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News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

shortstop

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I'll have negative comments because I nitpick but me nitpicking does not mean I necessarily dislike a change. Reality it's easier to point out flaws than successes.
They used to call this “nuance”, something our society is lacking today...
 

Curious Constance

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I’ve seen this type of argument a lot with respect to a lot of changes in Disney Parks, and it’s flat out untrue. It’s false to say that hardcore fans will complain no matter what. Fans complain when a mediocre area of a park is turned into a theme-less cluster of characters. Fans would NOT complain if a mediocre area of a park were improved upon with high quality theming and placemaking.

I’ve seen the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” defense of Disney quite a bit on this site and I think that reflects a poor understanding of the fanbase’s complaints and objections.
It’s never about pleasing everyone because that’s impossible. It’s about providing a high quality, fun experience that the average person will enjoy and want to experience again and tell their friends about.
 

Disney Irish

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I’ve seen this type of argument a lot with respect to a lot of changes in Disney Parks, and it’s flat out untrue. It’s false to say that hardcore fans will complain no matter what. Fans complain when a mediocre area of a park is turned into a theme-less cluster of characters. Fans would NOT complain if a mediocre area of a park were improved upon with high quality theming and placemaking.

I’ve seen the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” defense of Disney quite a bit on this site and I think that reflects a poor understanding of the fanbase’s complaints and objections.
I get what you're saying, I don't completely agree with it, but I get it. I just feel the internet has made rise to a different kind of fan, the hyper-critical fan that is critical of everything no matter what. There are several fan sites full of these. Luckily this site doesn't have many.

Anyways, like I said I get what you're saying even if I don't completely agree with it.
 

ixjr

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It’s false to say that hardcore fans will complain no matter what. Fans complain when a mediocre area of a park is turned into a theme-less cluster of characters. Fans would NOT complain if a mediocre area of a park were improved upon with high quality theming and placemaking.
Far many more would have been receptive had Disney finished what they started; continuing the Victorian era template throughout the pier because Disney is at their best when creating idealized, romanticized, lived-in environments that blend fantasy with history. King Triton's Carousel be given the gingerbread lattice structure that was alluded to 12 years ago, the wrap-around boardwalk the Fun Wheel was suggested receiving and the Gustav Tinkershmidt backstory that was hinted at but went nowhere.

What is so fascinating is the areas that were remodeled by 2012 was met with general praise. The public reacted positively to the changes made and one would think that's all the validation Disney needed to have to know what they were doing, where they were going was the ideal route.
 

MistaDee

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So while yes there could have been many so possibilities I'm dealing with the hard facts on hand. Pixar Pier is here now, not some fantasy of Paradise Pier 2.0 or some other idea for the area. So it is a binary choice based on these facts. Without any other data to go on its either A. Paradise Pier stayed exactly the way it was, or B. Pixar Pier. We can argue all day long on "what if", but that isn't reality.
I found the direction that Paradise Pier 1.5 took to be encouraging! The Victorian era theme was not a fantasy, but rather never fully executed. Within that theme it would be possible to make an area that folds in classic Disney animation as well as an old-timey feel that could have salvaged the land in my opinion.

Imagine if they announced a Mystic Manor style funhouse where Goofy's Sky School is or Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway tucked behind TSMM (likely impossible but I digress.)

I would much rather had Paradise Pier stayed the way it was because that at least allowed for a trajectory that I could get behind - the vision they laid out in 2008 was one I could get behind as a fan, that's no fantasy. Option B takes us in the wrong direction, even if it is "something."
 

nevol

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I’ve seen this type of argument a lot with respect to a lot of changes in Disney Parks, and it’s flat out untrue. It’s false to say that hardcore fans will complain no matter what. Fans complain when a mediocre area of a park is turned into a theme-less cluster of characters. Fans would NOT complain if a mediocre area of a park were improved upon with high quality theming and placemaking.

I’ve seen the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” defense of Disney quite a bit on this site and I think that reflects a poor understanding of the fanbase’s complaints and objections.
Exactly! Nobody complained about the new matterhorn queue. (please don't exhaust yourselves finding a quote of somebody complaining about the matterhorn queue.)
 

disneyC97

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Far many more would have been receptive had Disney finished what they started; continuing the Victorian era template throughout the pier because Disney is at their best when creating idealized, romanticized, lived-in environments that blend fantasy with history. King Triton's Carousel be given the gingerbread lattice structure that was alluded to 12 years ago, the wrap-around boardwalk the Fun Wheel was suggested receiving and the Gustav Tinkershmidt backstory that was hinted at but went nowhere.

What is so fascinating is the areas that were remodeled by 2012 was met with general praise. The public reacted positively to the changes made and one would think that's all the validation Disney needed to have to know what they were doing, where they were going was the ideal route.
And the aspects of the Pixar changes that IMO are most welcome are the wheel signage and restaurant/shops/promenade facades that continued those changes.
 

DanielBB8

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Exactly! Nobody complained about the new matterhorn queue. (please don't exhaust yourselves finding a quote of somebody complaining about the matterhorn queue.)
Is this because no characters were added? Imagine if they added IP to it.

Pixar Pier added some architectural changes that I thought improved the land.
 

SuddenStorm

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I’ve seen this type of argument a lot with respect to a lot of changes in Disney Parks, and it’s flat out untrue. It’s false to say that hardcore fans will complain no matter what. Fans complain when a mediocre area of a park is turned into a theme-less cluster of characters. Fans would NOT complain if a mediocre area of a park were improved upon with high quality theming and placemaking.

I’ve seen the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” defense of Disney quite a bit on this site and I think that reflects a poor understanding of the fanbase’s complaints and objections.
Beautifully said. Fans, even the purists, don't complain when a change is an actual improvement. I saw very little, if any complaints about the Fantasyland dark ride enhancements we got around 2015.

Or the beautifully done Big Thunder rebuild that greatly improved the ride experience as well as the finale.

Or, did anyone complain about the many enhancements DCA got prior to Mission: OVERLAY?

It's when Disney delivers us stuff like Tomorrowland '98, Pixar Pier, Winnie the Pooh, etc- stuff that's obviously cheap and not up to what Disney's capable of delivering.

Or changes like the addition of Disney characters to Small World- an addition that distracts from the purpose of the attraction, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on the part of Imagineering about why that attraction has been beloved for the last 55 years and has resonated with people all over the world (I once saw video with an Imagineering say that the attraction is like children playing with dolls in their backyard or something- yikes!).

That's not to say you won't find exceptions- I've seen regular posters on other sites who refuse to acknowledge anything good that's been done at Disneyland since the '90s- people who deride everything current management and Imagineering does as an assault on Walt's dream. But those are few and far between, and should be ignored during critical analysis and discussion of the parks.
 

SuddenStorm

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This castle reroof+repaint looks to be a wonderful visual update to the icon of the park. It hearkens back to the proper paint job, but looks to update it for modern audiences.

It's a shame the Incredicoaster couldn't get the same care for it's visual update- instead it got awkwardly aligned LED lights on some awkward looking tunnels.
 

disneyC97

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This castle reroof+repaint looks to be a wonderful visual update to the icon of the park. It hearkens back to the proper paint job, but looks to update it for modern audiences.

It's a shame the Incredicoaster couldn't get the same care for it's visual update- instead it got awkwardly aligned LED lights on some awkward looking tunnels.
Don’t forget it also got impaled babies and static figures noticeably bolted to the floor. 😉
 
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