News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

[shortstop]

You're right.

Steamboats were invented in 1807, 31 years after the American Revolution began. It's more like having a Chevrolet Master on Main Street USA. That's still ridiculous.

Seeing a steamboat from Liberty Square isn't a problem, but the fact it's part of Liberty Square is. Just switch the border of the land to make it part of Frontierland and the problem is solved.

I see it differently. The designated land borders are arbitrary. The west side of MK is genius in the way it transitions from the Wild West of Frontierland to eventually the civilized east coast with Haunted Mansion. You even cross a creek that represents the Mississippi. The Steamboat belongs to all of the Rivers of America and its passage is symbolic of America’s march through time. Or something like that.

 

[mickEblu]

Come to think of it, I seem to remember Aladdin’s cast was sometimes unusually white for an Arabian story and I don’t remember people complaining about that. Unfortunately, we’ve been conditioned to seeing white people in POC roles for years so it doesn’t surprise us like an Asian Anna does. But that’s a bias worth challenging, so good on the casting directors for doing so. The fact that we’re having this discussion proves that they were at least a little successful.

That’s because the characters were already whitewashed in the movie. I only saw Aladdin once but I’m assuming they at least chose people with a slight tan and dark hair? I think for me and those who have voiced their opinion it’s just about having the actors look like the characters we know from the movies. It’s not that deep, for me at least.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The real issue there isn't race, it's that everyone they cast is so skinny outside of the Genie role, where they joke about his weight.

 

[JohnyKaz2078]

Transformers and Star Tours are screen-based attractions, but they also utilize motion simulator technology to make you feel like you are traveling through the projected environment. Mission BO used motion simulation in the ride vehicle to give the cars some bounce, but not to immerse guests into the show scene they are witnessing. Instead, its a flat static show scene rather than a 3 dimensional environment.

Midway Mania was popular at DHS because it was the only attraction that appealed to families. Younger kids didn't want to ride TGMR and scenes like Alien would also frighten them. Star Tours has a height limit and has been around for ages. The options for families with little ones was seeing a show or riding Midway Mania.

By cutting of the film I mean the way they edited the original video. Jump cuts from location to location remind you that you're watching an IMAX movie from a hanging seat rather than truly there flying over these locations. I remember getting inside the ride area for the first time and being amazed how there was this giant blue screen, a flat concrete slab with guard rail, and the exposed mechanics. Its cool tech, but it feels like a prototype rather than a finished attraction.

Again those same screens were also in ToT. I don't think that anyone ever complained about those since the attraction was so immersive that it made everyone feel they were part of it. Unfortunately Mission Breakout isn't even near to having the same level of immersion as ToT that's why those screens are more prominent. But that isn't to say it's a bad ride.

Yes TSM was popular in Hollywood Studios because it was one of a few things that were aimed for children. But if the Monsters Inc. ride was copied to DHS from DCA, would it be as popular as TSM? No. How well a ride is executed is a much bigger factor than to the age group it is aimed at.

Soarin was first made as part of DCA. DCA 1.0 was a bad cheap park. Despite being a good ride, Soarin was a victim of a low budget that didn't put much attention to detail. That's why the ride's mechanism is exposed. And by "original video", you mean the video for Over California?

 

[TROR]

Again those same screens were also in ToT. I don't think that anyone ever complained about those since the attraction was so immersive that it made everyone feel they were part of it. Unfortunately Mission Breakout isn't even near to having the same level of immersion as ToT that's why those screens are more prominent. But that isn't to say it's a bad ride.

No they weren't wth. The only screen in the attraction was a TV set in the queue. Tower of Terror utilized practical sets and effects with a few projection effects to enhance the experience. Tower of Terror wasn't even reliant on the projections it had. Remove them and the attraction is still really great. Remove the screens from Mission Breakout and you have absolutely nothing but bobbing up and down.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Transformers and Star Tours are screen-based attractions, but they also utilize motion simulator technology to make you feel like you are traveling through the projected environment. Mission BO used motion simulation in the ride vehicle to give the cars some bounce, but not to immerse guests into the show scene they are witnessing. Instead, its a flat static show scene rather than a 3 dimensional environment.

Midway Mania was popular at DHS because it was the only attraction that appealed to families. Younger kids didn't want to ride TGMR and scenes like Alien would also frighten them. Star Tours has a height limit and has been around for ages. The options for families with little ones was seeing a show or riding Midway Mania.

By cutting of the film I mean the way they edited the original video. Jump cuts from location to location remind you that you're watching an IMAX movie from a hanging seat rather than truly there flying over these locations. I remember getting inside the ride area for the first time and being amazed how there was this giant blue screen, a flat concrete slab with guard rail, and the exposed mechanics. Its cool tech, but it feels like a prototype rather than a finished attraction.

I seem to recall reading that the vague backstory of Soarin is that a group of aviators built a flying simulator. Yeah, they didn’t really try to explain it.

 

[JohnyKaz2078]

No they weren't wth. The only screen in the attraction was a TV set in the queue. Tower of Terror utilized practical sets and effects with a few projection effects to enhance the experience. Tower of Terror wasn't even reliant on the projections it had. Remove them and the attraction is still really great. Remove the screens from Mission Breakout and you have absolutely nothing but bobbing up and down.

If the projections were removed, the ride would still be great but it would lack the immersiveness and good story-telling that it would have without those. But yeah Mission Breakout is very heavily reliant on screens.

 

[TROR]

If the projections were removed, the ride would still be great but it would lack the immersiveness and good story-telling that it would have without those. But yeah Mission Breakout is very heavily reliant on screens.

The only real projection that matters is the five ghosts. The lightning ones can easily be replaced by flashing lights and the spiral isn't necessary. Even without those five ghosts, though, you still have an eerie hallway which offers great atmosphere.

 

[Rich T]

I seem to recall reading that the vague backstory of Soarin is that a group of aviators built a flying simulator. Yeah, they didn’t really try to explain it.

That's kind of a cute backstory. Actually, I'd have loved to see them base it around the Wright Bros. time period and just avoid showing cities or modern-day structures in the film (and have the seats suddenly lurch and stutter from time to time as the plane engine hiccups). But at the end of the day Soarin' Over CA worked just fine without a backstory. The theme was enough.

 

[JohnyKaz2078]

The only real projection that matters is the five ghosts. The lightning ones can easily be replaced by flashing lights and the spiral isn't necessary. Even without those five ghosts, though, you still have an eerie hallway which offers great atmosphere.

The elevator was staying at the hallway for quite a long time. If the ghosts were removed guests would be bored to see an empty hallway for more than 10 seconds

 

[Rich T]

Liberty Square has never run away the concept, unfortunately. Of course there's the Haunted Mansion, but it's not exactly 1776 America themed. Hall of Presidents and Liberty Belle are all they have relating to the proper theme of the land but a steamboat doesn't even make sense as they weren't invented until the 1800's.

Having a Revolutionary War set land on the banks of Rivers of America with the Sailing Ship Colombia going by would be so nice. Fill in the rest of the land with a Paul Revere "Pony Express" style coaster, American Adventure from Epcot (or even better yet, the Hall of Independence from Liberty Street), a Pocahontas canoe ride, and a Headless Horseman dark ride. Obviously this is not what the general public wants, but it certainly would be a better fit for Disneyland than Star Wars.

Love all these ideas, but nothing will ever replace the abandoned Discovery Bay/Dumbo's Circus project in my heart.

 

[TROR]

The elevator was staying at the hallway for quite a long time. If the ghosts were removed guests would be bored to see an empty hallway for more than 10 seconds

It's better than guests seeing a pop up saying Windows has shut down

 

[shortstop]

The elevator was staying at the hallway for quite a long time. If the ghosts were removed guests would be bored to see an empty hallway for more than 10 seconds

Maybe, but the point is, it wasn’t a literal tv screen taking up your entire field of vision playing a prerecorded video.

 

[JohnyKaz2078]

It's better than guests seeing a pop up saying Windows has shut down

Maybe, but the point is, it wasn’t a literal tv screen taking up your entire field of vision playing a prerecorded video.

Yes Mission Breakout is definitely inferior regarding the hallway. But without the original projections of the ghosts, the length of ToT would have to be shortened.

 

[shortstop]

Yes Mission Breakout is definitely inferior regarding the hallway. But without the original projections of the ghosts, the length of ToT would have to be shortened.

I guess?

 

[180º]

The real issue there isn't race, it's that everyone they cast is so skinny outside of the Genie role, where they joke about his weight.

Shift yer cargo, Genie. Show ‘em yer larboard side!

 

[D.Silentu]

The elevator was staying at the hallway for quite a long time. If the ghosts were removed guests would be bored to see an empty hallway for more than 10 seconds

Not to naysay your point, but this actually happened to me. In fact nothing happened in that scene at all and it was by far the creepiest ride on Tower that I'd ever had.

 

[Phroobar]

Maybe, but the point is, it wasn’t a literal tv screen taking up your entire field of vision playing a prerecorded video.

It seems some of you are confused which scene has the prerecorded video. The Tower of Terror had two show scenes. The first was the mirror where everyone disappears. That was just a shot of the ride vehicle that is then replaced with video of an empty ride vehicle. This is where we now watch the Guardians run around and shoot stuff.

The second scene in the TOT was the ghost hallway. That was replaced with the computer Christmas tree looking stuff.

Now instead of just going up and down in the dark, it uses the original mirror room more often.

 

[TROR]

It seems some of you are confused which scene has the prerecorded video. The Tower of Terror had two show scenes. The first was the mirror where everyone disappears. That was just a shot of the ride vehicle that is then replaced with video of an empty ride vehicle. This is where we now watch the Guardians run around and shoot stuff.

The second scene in the TOT was the ghost hallway. That was replaced with the computer Christmas tree looking stuff.

Now instead of just going up and down in the dark, it uses the original mirror room more often.

From what I've heard, it was a two way mirror effect that had an empty elevator car on the other side. That's only what I've heard, though, and I haven't seen any blue prints to suggest this.

 

[shortstop]

It seems some of you are confused which scene has the prerecorded video. The Tower of Terror had two show scenes. The first was the mirror where everyone disappears. That was just a shot of the ride vehicle that is then replaced with video of an empty ride vehicle. This is where we now watch the Guardians run around and shoot stuff.

The second scene in the TOT was the ghost hallway. That was replaced with the computer Christmas tree looking stuff.

Now instead of just going up and down in the dark, it uses the original mirror room more often.

Yeah, I guess I’m probably conflating the two. I’m more familiar with WDW’s as I’ve ridden that one more than I rode DCA’s. Honestly I never liked the mirror scene at DCA. It felt corny. Still better than GOTG though.