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News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier
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lazyboy97o
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I’ve never seen a good answer for that question. It’s usually just all lumped in as “being the same.” Even Tony Baxter at times falls into this, straining the definition of IP to be more of genre or having any basis in an existing idea, ie. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the same because Westerns, mine train roller coasters and cursed mines were all existing ideas.
The fandom of fixed amusements is a rather fearful and self-hating community. They spend thousands of dollars on something they are quick to call stupid and pointless, something not worth thought. They fawn on creatives who they essentially deem hacks, who couldn’t and shouldn’t come up with their own ideas. This is not helped by an academic view that derides amusement parks, and themed entertainment in particular, as an “opiate of the masses” that reinforces the oppression of the superstructure through a fantasy presentation.
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TragicMike
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Did you not read what anecdotal evidence is? You can't make sweeping generalizations based off your limited personal sample size.
My girlfriend works with pre-school and early grade school aged children and they're excited for Incredibles 2. They all love and recognize Wall-E, Monsters Inc., etc. Pixar films are going to have the legacy of classic Disney films. They're going to last generations.
Disneylover152
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Yes, I know what anecdotal evidence is. You just gave me some.
I’m just sharing my experiences with these IPs. Most people don’t care about The Incredibles as much as Toy Story or other Pixar movies. It’s a good movie but it’s not going to last the test of time.
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I'm no fan of Pixar Pier, but I'm a bit flabbergasted at how hard some posters here are arguing against this thing when it is almost guaranteed to go over big with audiences for decades to come. I can't decide if the people running Disney are jerks or geniuses. Just look how many
dweezil78
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You seriously think that because someone wasn't alive when a movie came out or when it was initially popular that they'll never have an interest in watching it or showing it to their kids? That's pretty dark news for, well, the entire history of cinema.
Disney Irish
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Except the thing that you fail to realize is this is not Six Flags' philosophy. This is the philosophy of the US economy, branding is at the core of every business, including theme parks. The US consumer has been trained for at least four decades that brands matter. And that a non-branded experience is less desirable than a branded one. So consumers clamor for branded experiences. Its the reason why some call the theme park the opiate of the masses, with Disney being the biggest dealer of them all.
lazyboy97o
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The critiques of theme parks that I previously referenced are not based on branding, but theme parks as places that inform. What made theme parks “sinister” is their design and storytelling, not that they were filled with character signs.
TROR
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dweezil78
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I said 'movie' -- not 'outdated Disney ride with barely moving (if at all) wax musem-esque AAs.'
TROR
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Disneylover152
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Yea but the reason it closed is because those "classic" movies nobody under the age of 20 has seen (for the most part).
TROR
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Which is incredibly unfortunate. Those movies really are wonderful.
Phroobar
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It's amazing how asleep 30 year olds and younger are. The history of movies has some pretty amazing stuff unlike the CG-crap fests we've gotten in the past ten years.
BasiltheBatLord
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So when exactly did Pixar itself become a brand? Maybe I'm missing something but doesn't that seem kind of weird to anyone else? Like I get that individual Pixar IP's are popular, but when exactly did "Pixar" as a comprehensive brand become this thing that people find popular and trendy? Most people I know are still unable to separate a Pixar film from a Disney film.
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Maybe that's the point?
dweezil78
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No, the reason it closed is because it was a downright antiquated looking attraction that lacked any soul or sizzle. Today's audiences were not impressed and it came across as hokey. It had more in common with that weird Asian 'Small World' knockoff where none of the dolls moved than any of Disney's classic AA attractions. Would it have been nice if they had updated some of the movies in it? Sure... but it still wouldn't have been enough to win over modern audiences.
shortstop
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The real reason it closed is because Disney was too cheap to build a new attraction without closing another one. That, and they neglected to update the ride at any point over the last 30 years. GMR was awesome.
dweezil78
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IMO PIxar became a noteworthy brand before Disney even acquired them. For the longest time, there were people who didn't want Disney to acquire them in fear that they'd ruin the brand (instead we can thank JL for his best attempt at that.) I think people forget, but the idea of that annual 'Pixar' film was one that was always buzzed about from moment any info dropped. It was a high mark of quality, each and everytime -- in the same way that there are certain record labels where everyone loves every single band/record they release.
It didn't matter what the film was or what it was about, you just knew it was going to be amazing and sell boatloads of tickets. You knew there was going to be a fun little, but just as memorable and great, short in front of the feature. It was an event and so many people bought their tickets just based on the name Pixar alone.
So to answer your question, in my eyes and the eyes of many, Pixar was a beloved brand very early on and easily distinguishable from Disney, Dreamworks, or any one else doing similar work in the industry.
dweezil78
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I won't argue that the ride should have been updated during its 30 year run... But I also don't know that I'd say closing it was a result of cheapness when you look at the huge overhaul going on in that park now in prep for Galaxy's Edge along with all the other projects absorbing budget around WDW. Unfortunately budgets come and go (and are finite) and timing often plays a critical role in when/how it gets used.
Now Toy Story Land, on the other hand... that's an absolute waste of $$$ and money that would have been much better spent elsewhere.