Not every ride needs to be about California, they just need to be about the land they're in. TSMM no way fits the CA theme, but it fits the Paradise Pier theme. The CA theme of the park is no more limiting than Frontierland, Fantasyland, or Tomorrowland.
But would you want the entirety of DL to be about the American West? Or Fairy Tales? Or the Future? The overall park theme is (was) Walt Disney's personal interest in those areas. So the park could basically do any theme it liked.
the park's theme is Americana and I'm not getting into this endless conversation once again
And that is why Star Wars fits perfectly in Disneyland. You can't get anymore Americana than pop culture Star Wars. Star Wars is the modern version of 50's cowboys and Indians.
The sad reality we live in. But Star Wars bombs in China so it is more Americana than the Chinese pandering Marvel movies.And that is why Star Wars fits perfectly in Disneyland. You can't get anymore Americana than pop culture Star Wars. Star Wars is the modern version of 50's cowboys and Indians.
They probably enjoy it better if it was based on a Jackie Chan movie. The Chinese aren't much into a group of rebels fighting a tyrannical evil empire.
You can call it that -- and it mostly fits. Calling Fantasyland (the park's very heart) and Adventureland Americana is a stretch, but if you're going to call the American pop version of Tiki Culture and Futurism Americana, then you can put anything you want into DCA and find a California link. Same result, two different ways of interpreting it. The fact is that while Walt was alive, he put whatever he darn well liked into his park, be it a Swiss Mountain, a jolly old English trip to jolly old hell, or Dinosaurs on a Steam Railroad. They're there because he liked them. Disneyland is the most appropriately named park on Earth.
Correct. Disneyland didn't start out as Americana instead it became the very definition OF Americana.
If Star Wars is Americana, then anything dreamed up in California can fit in DCA. Moana is Californian.
RPO has lots of American pop culture references to it but at the same time has a futuristic anime feel to it. I think it's that anime feel that China and Japan both like. I believe that is why the Tron coaster works well there.If Star Wars is Americana, then anything dreamed up in California can fit in DCA. Moana is Californian.
(EDIT) Star Wars bombs in China, but Ready Player One is a smash hit. Go figure. (Personally, I'm with China on this one regarding preferring RP1 over the last two SW films).
Moana isn't american culture. It's just a movie that came and went. Things have to endure to be considered part of a country's culture.If Star Wars is Americana, then anything dreamed up in California can fit in DCA. Moana is Californian.
(EDIT) Star Wars bombs in China, but Ready Player One is a smash hit. Go figure. (Personally, I'm with China on this one regarding preferring RP1 over the last two SW films).
I'm just saying that if Star Wars is considered American because it was conceived in America, then Moana could be in DCA because it was conceived in California. Which is just to say that either is a stretch and Moana fits DCA as well as SW fits DL. Yes, my argument is as sturdy as generic store-brand toilet paper.
The better distinction between the two is that DCA's california theme is a lazy and disorganized hodgepodge for the most part, its layout a complete afterthought, handicapping it from ever really being a good park. You could have very distinct and strong lands in DCA just as in Disneyland, with as much range, but instead the bathrooms are San Fran and 10 feet later you're in the pier etc etc.
Star Wars was conceived in California too but the difference is Star Wars has been part of pop culture for forty years. Moana is just a cheesy movie based on the Frozen formula from a California based movie company that has already been forgotten.
What does that even mean?
Agreed (although one could argue that Moana is a better film than the last 5 SW movies, not that I'd ever say that..
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Dippin' Dots.
Totally agree. Current Disney management only cares about the here and now. The Twilight Zone is part of Americana and had every right to stay. It even fit the surroundings but could have been executed much better. GOTG was a C list comic book from 1969 and the only reason we talk about it now is because the movie made money. However the theme parks have always been commercials for current movies. For example, the Castle was built as a tie in to the upcoming Cinderella movie. Tomorrowland had a set for 20K Under the Sea. The problem is current management doesn't know how to balance commercials with original content.Agreed (although one could argue that Moana is a better film than the last 5 SW movies, not that I'd ever say that..
BUT the difference between the two to current Disney management is.... ? They turned The Twilight Zone (which has been around for almost 60 years) into Guardians of the Galaxy. The centerpiece of Paradise Pier is about to turn into an advertisement for an upcoming movie sequel.
Sleeping Beauty. C'mon, soldier!!! (That's okay, Walt called it Snow White's castle).
