News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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raven24 said:
If something has already been established as being iconic, it’s not going to change, in terms of its status. It doesn’t matter what non fans think because it is what it is.
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Who established it as being iconic? Fans? Disney?

For something to be iconic it has to be recognized by both fans and non-fans of that medium. So in this case if those that aren't theme park fans can't recognize it then it can't very well be iconic now can it. See below...

And again, it couldn't be that iconic if Disney removed or changed it.

raven24 said:
If someone has never listened to pop music, it doesn’t take away the fact that Michael Jackson is generally considered to be an iconic musician. It doesn’t matter that non fans believe.
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Except people that never listened to pop can likely name who Michael Jackson is as they have seen him outside of music. Again see below...

So lets look at the definition of iconic from the dictionary:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/iconic

1: of, relating to, or having the characteristics of an icon
2 a: widely recognized and well-established
b: widely known and acknowledged especially for distinctive excellence

1 doesn't apply here because we aren't talking about icons like on signs. So 2 applies here both a and b. While within the Disney theme park fan community things at DCA might be known, but outside of the Disney theme park fan community they aren't widely known. Whereas if you ask things about DL you'll get lots of answers by those outside of the Disney theme park fan community.

So things at DL can be said to be iconic but DCA no.

And in terms of your Michael Jackson example, 2 a and 2 b both apply as he was known both outside and inside the pop community. And he was known for his excellence in music.
 
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DanielBB8

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Nothing in DCA is iconic. That’s why anything can go for whatever or no reason. That’s why the complaints about theming doesn’t stick. No one mourns for a closed attraction. We’re already signed off on Bugs Land going. It’s makes the loud complaining about Paradise Pier seem like nonsense.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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DanielBB8 said:
Nothing in DCA is iconic. That’s why anything can go for whatever or no reason. That’s why the complaints about theming doesn’t stick. No one mourns for a closed attraction. We’re already signed off on Bugs Land going. It’s makes the loud complaining about Paradise Pier seem like nonsense.
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We are still mourning for the loss of the Tower of Terror.
 
Model3 McQueen

Model3 McQueen

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DanielBB8 said:
Nothing in DCA is iconic. That’s why anything can go for whatever or no reason. That’s why the complaints about theming doesn’t stick. No one mourns for a closed attraction. We’re already signed off on Bugs Land going. It’s makes the loud complaining about Paradise Pier seem like nonsense.
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You're trolling us right?
Anything can go for IP and advertisement billboard purposes, as is the trend now. Not "whatever" or "no reason". A good example of this is Space Mountain being reskinned to Star Wars for TWO YEARS. How about Mission Breakout? Pixar Pier?

Grizzly Peak is an Icon. Even Soarin could be a good argument, because it's featured in many cultural references. Remember Soarin' Over Springfield? ToT was an icon; obviously, it's a multi-park attraction as is Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, etc.

Plenty of people are still mourning the loss of ToT. Same with Bugs Land, especially those who have babies and very young children.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Grizzly Peak used to be the park's icon, but Disney themselves are responsible for it starting to fade into obscurity in the public's mind. I'd say the Cadillac Mountain Range is currently the closest thing to "iconic" thing at DCA. Right now I'd agree DCA is still a very muddled park (but a pleasant one), and Disney isn't helping by halting one good makeover (classic Mickey pier) in favor of shoehorning in a terrible IP push. DCA has tons of potential. Time will tell.
 
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dweezil78

dweezil78

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The idea of what makes something iconic is very subjective. Not to mention there are so many different levels of something being 'iconic' that it's a point not worth arguing. To whom or what is it iconic? The world? Disney fans? DCA itself? You're all just going to go round and round in circles here. For your own sanity and mental well being, you might want to just stop now. :)
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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dweezil78 said:
The idea of what makes something iconic is very subjective. Not to mention there are so many different levels of something being 'iconic' that it's a point not worth arguing. To whom or what is it iconic? The world? Disney fans? DCA itself? You're all just going to go round and round in circles here. For your own sanity and mental well being, you might want to just stop now. :)
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True. It’s all subjective but one thing is not - the amount of pictures snapped. Nothing is more photographed at DCA than Mickey’s Fun Wheel. The more it gets photographed and the image is seen the more iconic it becomes.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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mickEblu said:
True. It’s all subjective but one thing is not - the amount of pictures snapped. Nothing is more photographed at DCA than Mickey’s Fun Wheel. The more it gets photographed and the image is seen the more iconic it becomes.
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I'm not saying Mickey's Fun Wheel isn't iconic... I'm just saying that debating this subject is ultimately going to just make people angry, bitter, and resentful. But hey, I know people dig that so have at it! :)
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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dweezil78 said:
I'm not saying Mickey's Fun Wheel isn't iconic... I'm just saying that debating this subject is ultimately going to just make people angry, bitter, and resentful. But hey, I know people dig that so have at it! :)
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Oh ya I agree. I’ve stayed mostly out of it. Just felt like chiming In to say there kind of is a way to measure this that’s not subjective.
 
Model3 McQueen

Model3 McQueen

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dweezil78 said:
I'm not saying Mickey's Fun Wheel isn't iconic... I'm just saying that debating this subject is ultimately going to just make people angry, bitter, and resentful. But hey, I know people dig that so have at it! :)
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