News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

George Lucas on a Bench

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Spaceship Earth isn't that iconic outside of Disney freaks. Many visitors are unaware the giant golf ball even contains a ride and they're probably baffled by what it's about. They hear Judy Dench and assume it's a James Bond ride.
 

TROR

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Those iconic attractions are so well-known they have become marketable IP themselves. The PoTC film series is an obvious example, along with the various versions of Pirates, HM, and BTMRR attractions at Disney resorts around the world. Some of these attractions even have branded merchandise and collectables.
Yep. Which is why it's dumb, at least in my opinion, Disney chooses to miss out on creating more iconic park specific IPs that can sell even more merch for. Star Wars and Indiana Jones weren't based off known properties when those movies were made and look what those two franchises have become. So odd to me that studios don't want to do that again even though they're clearly not getting it with these King Arthur and Tarzan retellings.
 
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Yep. Which is why it's dumb, at least in my opinion, Disney chooses to miss out on creating more iconic park specific IPs that can sell even more merch for.

Sure, but it's far riskier financially to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a new attraction without any assurance it will be a blockbuster success. Disney can build the same thing with a layer of well-known Studio IP and be confident it will have a minimum degree of immediate popularity and praise. Consider SW Land for moment. Would there be as much press and interest about the new lands this far in advance of opening if Disney were building Discovery Bay instead? Definitely not.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Sure, but it's far riskier financially to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a new attraction without any assurance it will be a blockbuster success. Disney can build the same thing with a layer of well-known Studio IP and be confident it will have a minimum degree of immediate popularity and praise. Consider SW Land for moment. Would there be as much press and interest about the new lands this far in advance of opening if Disney were building Discovery Bay instead? Definitely not.
I'd argue that yes there would be. People know what they're getting when you brand something SW. But something new and fantastically unknown could create even more buzz just because of all the mystery around it. Especially given the size and scope of the project. People are going to carry in pre-conceptions of what SWL should be and its either going to meet those, or its not. That in a way reduces its allure. Granted yes, we don't know all the minor details, but I would be hard-pressed to find anyone entering SWL as a total outsider. And for me at least, that should be the thrill of a theme park. Exploring the unknown and finding yourself immersed in an experience you can't get at home on Blu-Ray.

Also, I really just kind of have to laugh at the notion of financial risk in spending a couple hundred million on an attraction/land whatever, when Iger doesn't bat an eye at the notion of dropping billions just to acquire another company. If you think of all the money he has spent on acquisitions since his tenure began (roughly 70 billion all in), it's almost a joke to think that investing even a fraction of that money into the parks for a new original E-ticket would be seen as too "risky".
 
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Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Those iconic attractions are so well-known that they have become marketable IP themselves. The PoTC film series is an obvious example, along with the various versions of Pirates, HM (which also had a film), and BTMRR attractions at Disney resorts around the world. Some of these attractions even have branded merchandise and collectables.
Right. They've stood the test of time because they were immersive and innovative and didn't pander to the minimum attention span of an audience who needs to connect things with a character or song in order to like it. It's almost like Disney won't bother creating that kind of stuff anymore because it doesn't trust that its consumers can enjoy anything for what it is, which to me is sad.

Original attractions can (and do) turn into a marketable "Disney" IP's over time, so long as its an amazing experience for the guest. Disney seems to have forgotten that. They want it safe and non-risky. Epcot Center would have never gotten off the ground in 2018. Heck, it would have never left the meeting room. But Pixar Pier? Now there's a showcase of Imagineering! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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It's almost like Disney won't bother creating that kind of stuff anymore because it doesn't trust that its consumers can enjoy anything for what it is, which to me is sad.

Sad that Disney doesn't trust that consumers would appreciate non-IP driven content or sad that consumers go apesh*t for IP content in the parks? ;)

They want it safe and non-risky.

It probably goes without saying that most responsible multi-billion dollar global media corporations are risk-averse. In that regard I think context matters here. WDCo today is many many many times more influential and powerful than it was when Pirates debuted at Disneyland. To me wishing Disney would go back to its previous formula of investing heavily in original park content is a little bit like being at Disneyland in 1967 and wishining Disney would go back to making black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons.
 
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Also, I really just kind of have to laugh at the notion of financial risk in spending a couple hundred million on an attraction/land whatever, when Iger doesn't bat an eye at the notion of dropping billions just to acquire another company.

Not to be Mr. Rain Cloud again, but the billions Iger has dropped on acquisitions is paying off very well for the company. According to some reports Disney has already recouped its purchase of Lucasfilm, which cost the company more than $4 billion a little over 5 years ago.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Not to be Mr. Rain Cloud again, but the billions Iger has dropped on acquisitions is paying off very well for the company. According to some reports Disney has already recouped its purchase of Lucasfilm, which cost the company more than $4 billion a little over 5 years ago.
No arguments there...Its just a shame that some of that money wasn't spent on other ailing areas in the company.
 
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TP2000

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What's interesting to me is to see all this construction across both parks in Anaheim right now, while several big projects that were formally announced for WDW at D23 Expo have quietly been cancelled or put on hold.

  • The Hyperion-style big theater announced for Magic Kingdom's Main Street USA has now been cancelled.
  • The Star Wars Hotel has not begun construction yet and no further information has been released.
  • The Guardians ride for Epcot has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
  • The Tron Lightcycle ride for Tomorrowland has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
Especially for those two E Ticket coasters, they need to begin construction very soon in order to make it to the kickoff of WDW's 50th Anniversary celebration in Spring, 2021. Or, they need to begin construction by this fall in order to make it to an October, 2021 opening for the actual 50th anniversary of WDW.

The Rat ride for Epcot, plus the new hotels and gondola system, are under construction now. But the rest have been cancelled or are in a very quiet state of suspended animation right now.

Meanwhile, in Anaheim...
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Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Sad that Disney doesn't trust that consumers would appreciate non-IP driven content or sad that consumers go apesh*t for IP content in the parks? ;)



It probably goes without saying that most responsible multi-billion dollar global media corporations are risk-averse. In that regard I think context matters here. WDCo today is many many many times more influential and powerful than it was when Pirates debuted at Disneyland. To me wishing Disney would go back to its previous formula of investing heavily in original park content is a little bit like being at Disneyland in 1967 and wishining Disney would go back to making black and white Mickey Mouse cartoons.
A. It's equally sad for both :)

B. You are correct that it's probably smarter to be more risk-averse, but can't there be balance? It would be like Ford saying, "You know...our Focus model has sold really well and continues to sell really well, so from now on, let's only make the Focus and variations on that. People will still drive it, because who doesn't love a Ford?" Meanwhile, people who own the GT or Mustang remember when Ford did something unique and hold out hope that they'd do it again. Can't Disney even try?
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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What's interesting to me is to see all this construction across both parks in Anaheim right now, while several big projects that were formally announced for WDW at D23 Expo have quietly been cancelled or put on hold.

  • The Hyperion-style big theater announced for Magic Kingdom's Main Street USA has now been cancelled.
  • The Star Wars Hotel has not begun construction yet and no further information has been released.
  • The Guardians ride for Epcot has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
  • The Tron Lightcycle ride for Tomorrowland has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
Especially for those two E Ticket coasters, they need to begin construction very soon in order to make it to the kickoff of WDW's 50th Anniversary celebration in Spring, 2021. Or, they need to begin construction by this fall in order to make it to an October, 2021 opening for the actual 50th anniversary of WDW.

But it's interesting that several of the big projects that were publicly announced for WDW have been cancelled or have not even begun initial construction yet. The Rat ride for Epcot, plus the hotels and gondola system, are under construction now. But the rest have been cancelled or are in a very quiet state of suspended animation right now.

Meanwhile, in Anaheim...
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It is pretty fascinating to hear of all the cancellations/delayed projects going on at WDW. Also head-scratching is the amount of budget-cutting that goes on to cause those problems.

The apparent likelihood of a Coco-overlay to Gran Fiesta is also being put on hold. Disney just seems to have a strange track record lately of floating things out there, then pulling them back usually with little to no explanation. Need I mention the absence of anything remotely relating to Marvel Land? Or the recently redacted name change for DHS? I've talked to a few people in recent months who have confessed that WDI "is a mess". I think us on the outside are starting to see it plain as day.
 
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Curious Constance

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What's interesting to me is to see all this construction across both parks in Anaheim right now, while several big projects that were formally announced for WDW at D23 Expo have quietly been cancelled or put on hold.

  • The Hyperion-style big theater announced for Magic Kingdom's Main Street USA has now been cancelled.
  • The Star Wars Hotel has not begun construction yet and no further information has been released.
  • The Guardians ride for Epcot has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
  • The Tron Lightcycle ride for Tomorrowland has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
Especially for those two E Ticket coasters, they need to begin construction very soon in order to make it to the kickoff of WDW's 50th Anniversary celebration in Spring, 2021. Or, they need to begin construction by this fall in order to make it to an October, 2021 opening for the actual 50th anniversary of WDW.

The Rat ride for Epcot, plus the new hotels and gondola system, are under construction now. But the rest have been cancelled or are in a very quiet state of suspended animation right now.

Meanwhile, in Anaheim...
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But look what they're constructing in Anaheim. More drivel to keep the idiots with their Jack Skellington backpacks happy.
 

No Name

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Not changing the name of DHS is just plain smart in my opinion.

And they plan projects with a start date and end date to construction. They're not in a hurry by any means, in fact, they're stretching it out. In no way does a coaster need to take 3 years to build. Universal closed Dragon challenge last September and they're opening a new coaster in 2019. But when Disney chooses to draw out construction, of course they're not going to release details left and right. There's no conspiracy. As usual.
 

Curious Constance

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And I own a Mickey backpack. Owning a Jack Skellington backpack doesn't make you an idiot. It's a certain type of Jack skellington backpack owner I'm talking about. The kind that will find two rocks on the ground, call it Star Wars land rubble and to gain comments on their YouTube video, offer to give it to the two who make the best comments.
 

Travel Junkie

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What's interesting to me is to see all this construction across both parks in Anaheim right now, while several big projects that were formally announced for WDW at D23 Expo have quietly been cancelled or put on hold.

  • The Hyperion-style big theater announced for Magic Kingdom's Main Street USA has now been cancelled.
  • The Star Wars Hotel has not begun construction yet and no further information has been released.
  • The Guardians ride for Epcot has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
  • The Tron Lightcycle ride for Tomorrowland has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.
Especially for those two E Ticket coasters, they need to begin construction very soon in order to make it to the kickoff of WDW's 50th Anniversary celebration in Spring, 2021. Or, they need to begin construction by this fall in order to make it to an October, 2021 opening for the actual 50th anniversary of WDW.

Apparently markers have been spotted around where Tron will go. Sounds like that is close to breaking ground. I would bet GOTG goes forward. The theater cancellation is a hit for capacity reasons. They need a big show to soak up crowds. The state of the Star Wars Hotel is the most interesting to me. Not a word since D23.

Speaking of which the Japan D23 weekend is currently going on. Their parks presentation is Sunday night at roughly 7:15PM Pacific. Rumor is stateside announcements are part of it.
 

PB Watermelon

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California Screamin' is a terrific ride, Soarin' is terrific, Grizzly River Rapids is far better than its shorter clone in Animal Kingdom, none of them based on existing IP (though I suspect Grizzly Rapids was intended to be - at some point - themed to Brother Bear before the movie came and went).

Anyway, from what I understand, the use of IP isn't laziness on Disney's part, it's the result of in-park marketing surveys. Guests said that's what they wanted, along with better food choices.
 

Disneylover152

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  • The Guardians ride for Epcot has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.

  • The Tron Lightcycle ride for Tomorrowland has not begun construction yet, with no opening timeline released.

Guardians is under construction. They began clearing the land in September...

And TRON is going under permits right now and they will soon begin clearing the land.


You also have to count the fact that once TSL and SWGE construction is done, they will have so many more imagineers to build these attractions. They built 4 rides in these two lands in 2-3 years. They can build TRON and Guardians by 2021.
 

TROR

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Anyway, from what I understand, the use of IP isn't laziness on Disney's part, it's the result of in-park marketing surveys. Guests said that's what they wanted, along with better food choices.
The problem with these "in-park surveys" are that they essentially just ask "do you want Marvel in the park?" and people say yeah so they destroy Tower of Terror. If they were to ask "do you want a new attraction on the scale of Pirates of the Caribbean themed to the wild west?" most people would say yes to that, too, I'd wager.
 

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