Hatbox Ghostbuster
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don't remind me...
However, (minority opinion here) I'd still rather have 2018 Epcot in CA than DCA in any of its stages of existence.
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However, (minority opinion here) I'd still rather have 2018 Epcot in CA than DCA in any of its stages of existence.
nevol
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That's not how it works for everyone.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Agreed.
I never cared for the pier before, and I will care even less for it once they Pixar-ify it.
nevol
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It worked fine for 50 years with Haunted Mansion, New Orleans Square, Pirates of the Caribbean, Jungle Cruise, Golden Horseshoe, Big Thunder, Tom Sawyer Island, etc.
TROR
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Yeah, same. At least Epcot's GotG ride, though just as out of place, at least sounds like it'll be fun. Spaceship Earth is also great and we have nothing like that here.
dweezil78
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Sure, but if the majority of those attractions opened today for the first time without the rich history and ubiquity they have from existing for 50+ years at multiple Disney parks, do you think today's crowds would find them nearly as appealing?
Also, my intention with that comment wasn't to say non-Disney IP attractions shouldn't exist. It was simply to say they made a mistake of building a pier in the first place which comes with its own limitations on what you can do with it from an attractions point of view.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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nor do we have things like The Land, The Seas with Nemo and Friends,
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nevol
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I think Epcot/Westcot would have worked better among a more liberal west coast audience, one less seeking of family disney experiences. How that local audience would have been nurtured is anybody's guess but I think there was potential to honor the theme of the park more successfully. Once DCA was abandoned for IP, suddenly it was in vogue to throw away the integrity of every second gate. Now they don't even seem to care about the castle parks, but at 28 years old, maybe I'm just old fashioned for throwing up when I see Toy story lands looming over tomorrowlands.
I'll probably never be able to shed my skepticism of the disney parks, no matter how consistently they do tasteful enhancements around Disneyland etc. The company has demonstrated time and time again that their ideal buildout if they could ever get away with it would be Walt Disney Studios Paris and DCA. They hope we wont notice, but we do. They aren't interested in building several pandoras, or a Disneyland Paris. They want the parks to read like the inside of a Disney Streaming service.
smile
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pardon me, sir - i kindly request you remove tt...
there's a far far far better slot car attraction in dca
and, would it have ever actually happened? who knows... but westcot could/would have been a crown jewel, imo
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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I'm just thankful that we don't have to live with a TSL in CA.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Fixed it for you
dweezil78
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nevol
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"I'll probably never be able to shed my skepticism of the disney parks, no matter how consistently they do tasteful enhancements around Disneyland etc." You'll never hear me complain about SW:GE. But I still don't like either Mission Breakout or its hollywoodland/PB. SW:GE and the careful area development around ROA only makes the DCA projects seem that much more ridiculous. Its as if somebody imagined that the success of SWL or Carsland has to do with nothing but IP and thinks that a poorly budgeted IP project can be just as successful. In both the cases of dca 1.0 and Pixar Pier, despite the embrace of IP in the latter, we see an abandonment of the theme park design fundamentals that make projects immersive and successful in the first place in favor of postmodern statues and props.Speaking of things you don't seem to notice...
Why everything has to be so binary with everyone, in favor or against everything disney does, is beyond me. Everyone should be able to tell the difference between Toy Story Land and SW:GE. Sure, not everything can be a billion dollar budget, but that doesn't mean we cant have criticisms of those inferior projects and prefer not to have them at all.
I keep editing this, but I'm seeing in later comments the point that different parks adn resorts leadership was responsible for this and sw:ge. To elaborate on that point, I've been told that the company right now "never wants to build something like pandora ever again" because of its cost. Again, if they think they can pull as many people into the parks with fiberglass characters bolted into the ground like the cheapest tier of resorts out in orlando, they'll try to, and only spend more money to correct the errors if they're proven wrong.
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TROR
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Speaking of things you don't seem to notice...
Just so we don't forget, Star Wars Land and Pixar Pier were greenlit by two different management teams. SWL was greenlit by Staggs who brought us Cars Land, Buena Vista Street, and the rest of the DCA remodel. Pixar Pier was greenlit by Chapek who brought us Mission Breakout.
Curious Constance
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Yes. As is proven by the thousands upon thousands of kids who ride these for the first time every day, and come off and want to get right back on. Haunted Mansion is my son's very favorite ride. He's only ten. 50+ years is lost on him, but he knows a good, quality, not in your face advertising attraction when he sees it. He sees right through the Pixar Pier, and thinks it's dumb and unnecessary.
dweezil78
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Ok true...well they are great attractions. Hard to take that away from them. I think a lot of it also has to do with a loss in quality and detail. They do not make them like that anymore.
nevol
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Yup. My friends thought that space mountain was cutting edge. No idea that it was 40 years old. Couldn't be bothered with Radiator Springs Racers. Who cares? The old E-tickets were truly delivering on a genre present in every guest's bucket list. Raid a tomb (yup, including Indy), go to outer space, visit a haunted mansion, etc. Radiaor Springs Racers? Go on a road trip... it works as a landscape attraction but the dark ride doesn't deliver. Guardians? The screens do NOTHING for immersion, whereas on soarin, they are successful because they are all encompassing and not competing with practical sets. We walked away and they said "I can't believe that's what we just waited 90 minutes for."
Also notice the odd storytelling trend/trope emerging at WDI's DLR projects recently. Star wars has a battle escape attraction, Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout is a prison break, and the halloween overlay included saving Groot. Incredicoaster? The baby wanders off/escapes from the baby sitter and we have to save him. Panic inducing, no? It works for Star wars, we see it in the films all the time, people escaping star destroyers/the death star etc, but all of these seemingly funny attractions in dca aren't delivering on any sort of bucket list adventures. They are panic-inducing prison breaks/rescues sprinkled in comedy. Reminds me of nothing other than losing a 7 year old niece at Disneyland, which is an unfortunate event that happens to many families when they visit the park, not one they spend 100$ each to experience.
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Curious Constance
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They don't make them like that because they don't sell movie tickets or enough merchandise.
We're being fed garbage disguised as caviar, and I'm mad about it!
dweezil78
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They don't make them like that, because they think they can save $$$ by cutting corners unfortunately. What they don't realize is that people do subconsciously notice the things they're not supposed to be noticing!
Curious Constance
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The only way anyone would care about the dark ride as it is now, is if you're a fan of the movies. I like the attraction, but I don't love it.