Osborne Christmas lights to EPCOT?

Ripken10

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Any special Christmas lights at EPCOT would be nice. Doesn't have to be Osborne.
I wonder what sort of financial impact not having the Osborne lights will have this year. A lot of people made the trip to Disney just for the lights. I personally made the trip this past year at the last minute for the purpose of the lights. Had it not been for the lights I would not have gone. And I only went because others told me they make a trip specifically for the lights and that it was worth it. It certainly will have an impact on their bottomline, but how much? Enough for them to take notice and try to plan something, or not enough. They obviously had a bigger jump last year because it was the "last year", and the drop they could just attribute to that. But if the numbers this year are considerably lower than 2 years ago...hmm, maybe they will have to come up with something special that is green lit. Ideas certainly have been passed around.
 

Variable

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You're more than welcome to have an opinion. In fact, I'm sure most people here would welcome it! Encourages good discussion. You realize you are being rude and hypocritical though.
Why? This initial post that stared it all implies that there is something wrong with people enjoying something that you don't want.

No, I'm not being rude and hypocritical. I implied no such thing. I've stood staring wide eyed at the lights, last winter I ran through the lights in the middle of the night, or morning, whatever that was. Kinds of a shock to come around the corner and be ablaze with all of that. They were quite amazing, I was interested in the tech, the effort/hours to get them up.

The word "we" includes me. Sorry to be so collective, or community in my word choices.

And no, most people here on this topic, have NOT welcomed my opinion. They instantly went the opposite direction.
A few asked for some reasoning, I offered, painstakingly, and others continue to ignore.

You like the lights, want the lights? That's fine. Never said nobody can't like them or want them. If anything I suggested WE let go of something that is NOT coming back and move on.

In the end:
If all it takes is big displays of pretty lights to wow us, Disney has been wasting a lot of time.
 

Variable

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I wonder what sort of financial impact not having the Osborne lights will have this year.

This is good question. I don't know how they'd pick that impact out of the admission numbers though. The lights had been up at one location or the other there for 20 years, and so many other changes - hard to get a before/after number that way.

I think the park is going to suffer more from the general construction and "feeling" that there is much less there right now than before.
 

Rteetz

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No, I'm not being rude and hypocritical. I implied no such thing. I've stood staring wide eyed at the lights, last winter I ran through the lights in the middle of the night, or morning, whatever that was. Kinds of a shock to come around the corner and be ablaze with all of that. They were quite amazing, I was interested in the tech, the effort/hours to get them up.

The word "we" includes me. Sorry to be so collective, or community in my word choices.

And no, most people here on this topic, have NOT welcomed my opinion. They instantly went the opposite direction.
A few asked for some reasoning, I offered, painstakingly, and others continue to ignore.

You like the lights, want the lights? That's fine. Never said nobody can't like them or want them. If anything I suggested WE let go of something that is NOT coming back and move on.

In the end:
If all it takes is big displays of pretty lights to wow us, Disney has been wasting a lot of time.
All I did was ask why you wouldn't want to see some sort of light show back at DHS or elsewhere if you liked Osborne. I didn't think that was a difficult question. I can and have moved on. I've only seen them once and that was this year. Like I said I have my own display and know many others who have their own. Not everyone has that Luxury and the Osborne lights was a great Christmas lights display.
 

Rteetz

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This is good question. I don't know how they'd pick that impact out of the admission numbers though. The lights had been up at one location or the other there for 20 years, and so many other changes - hard to get a before/after number that way.

I think the park is going to suffer more from the general construction and "feeling" that there is much less there right now than before.
You can't deny though that there was a larger amount of people that came just for the lights last year though since it was the last chance to see them. Some people booked trips for them specifically. At a park without much to do the lights at Christmas time were a big draw.
 

Variable

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There is a large majority of the Disney fan community that would though. I don't see why they would've been a problem? They brought people into DHS and they were in an area that didn't have any major attractions so what's the big deal?

I know they'd go. That was never in doubt nor was the opposite suggested, by me.

I never said I didn't like them.
 

Variable

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You can't deny though that there was a larger amount of people that came just for the lights last year though since it was the last chance to see them. Some people booked trips for them specifically. At a park without much to do the lights at Christmas time were a big draw.

Never denied any of this.

Look at all that so many of you have jumped on me about, attached to me, that simply does not exist in my comment nor in my mind.
 

Variable

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I'd guess buying the lights cost less than what is cost to power them. Maybe not so much since they changed to LED, but in the scheme of things to WDW, not so much.

And even with the switch to LED bulbs, it's was probably almost preventative maintenance to just swap them out each year. According to these guys -> https://www.christmasdesigners.com/how-long-do-led-christmas-lights-last/ even pro-grade lights will only last 24-30 months if left out year round. So figure the 4-5 months they were up in the FL weather, being used for what, 5-6 hours a day for 3 months, easier to just replace them all than worrying about something killing one of the strands. Kind of like when they used to track when light bulbs were installed and swap them out at 80% life. Makes for good show when everything works instead of worrying about something possibly dying.

Several hundred ? pages of this was written about last year when the announcement was made.
It sounds like the maintenance and setup was far more costly than we tend to think.
 

Rteetz

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Several hundred ? pages of this was written about last year when the announcement was made.
It sounds like the maintenance and setup was far more costly than we tend to think.
If cost was a major problem which I don't believe it was the lights would've been stopped long ago.
 

Variable

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I know you said that but you won't answer my simple question why wouldn't you want Osborne or some other lights display at DHS or somewhere else?

Lights like that in general? Every wall covered aka Osborne lights? Mainly because we've had that, seen that, for 20 years in various iterations. I liked them, but I'd like to see something else now, something new and uncommon. When Osborne began it was a big deal, this guy and his family doing all this stuff. Disney snapped it up for something to add to the street, and sat back on its heels - no need to worry about being creative for 20 years. Now these sorts of displays are everywhere.

So, I believe, that "we" need to get beyond this now. "We" should demand more from the highly touted Disney imagineers.
 

Variable

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If cost was a major problem which I don't believe it was the lights would've been stopped long ago.

I don't know what level Disney decides is a problem, but the experts/insiders say it costs. The installation took a lot of hours Every little strand wire tied down every foot or so. As for electricity, I have no idea. Look up that discussion, you could probably search within the thread for "cost" etc.
 

World_Showcase_Lover007

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In the end:
If all it takes is big displays of pretty lights to wow us, Disney has been wasting a lot of time.

Well I'd like to think of it as more of a show/light performance than just some pretty lights, and to that end they were some pretty spectacular lights nevertheless. I don't see how someone can say that Disney was wasting time, regardless of the attraction/show, if it drew thousands of people into the parks as the Osborne Lights did. Maybe they should get rid of fireworks too, since they are merely "pretty lights" in the sky.
 

Variable

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Well I'd like to think of it as more of a show/light performance than just some pretty lights, and to that end they were some pretty spectacular lights nevertheless. I don't see how someone can say that Disney was wasting time, regardless of the attraction/show, if it drew thousands of people into the parks as the Osborne Lights did. Maybe they should get rid of fireworks too, since they are merely "pretty lights" in the sky.

See how that happened? I didn't say Disney was wasting its time. I said IF all it takes is lights, THEN Disney has been wasting its time ---i.e. e.g. ergo whatever IN THAT they've been been spending a lot of money on attractions they didn't need to bother with.

Then you jump to fireworks? You think I don't like fireworks?

And I never said "pretty lights in the sky" That was some other guy deciding I didn't like astronomy. I never mentioned sky, planets, stars, astronomy.
 

Rteetz

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I don't know what level Disney decides is a problem, but the experts/insiders say it costs. The installation took a lot of hours Every little strand wire tied down every foot or so. As for electricity, I have no idea. Look up that discussion, you could probably search within the thread for "cost" etc.
I completely understand the installation part. It takes me at least 2 weeks to set up my display and get everything how i like it. In terms of electricity costs I am sure it doesn't cost too much. Yes I know its 1+ million lights but with LEDs the costs are cut a good amount and Disney is already paying large electricity bills.
 

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