Orlando shootings and the parks

[Kylo Ken]

Disney, Universal, Sea World, etc is doing their best to keep you safe. Could they be doing more? Possibly. Unfortunately, no where are you 100% absolutely safe anymore. Unfortunately that is the world we live in today. This incident should not deter you from enjoying your life and making memories.

I've been at the Magic Kingdom and have seen random unattended coolers left behind (seems to happen here more than the other parks). You bet your rear that I mentioned it to someone immediately. You just never know anymore. Sure you may feel a bit silly or alarmist saying something, but all it takes is a lapse in judgement for something to slip through the cracks.

Be vigilant. Be mindful of your surroundings. Be patient. If you see something, say something. Most importantly, enjoy your life. Don't live in fear.

 

[Weather_Lady]

I don't know how isolated it is. And I'm not talking about the ISIS connections. Sure, they claimed responsibility, but there's no evidence the shooter was trained or contacted by them. They took credit, yeah, but that's most likely so they can seem even bigger and scarier.

No, what I am talking about is that on the same day, in Santa Monica, another guy was arrested with guns trying to head to the Pride events there and cause trouble. The fact that two completely separate and unrelated guys can both plan to carry out mass attacks on LGBT individuals on the same weekend is remarkably troubling.

I didn't post the language you quoted. Not sure where that came from.

EDIT: Your response was, it appears, to a later post by @The Empress Lilly. Not sure how I got tagged as the author of that quote.

 

[Matt_Black]

I didn't post the language you quoted. Not sure where that came from.

Woops! That was from somebody else. I had started to respond to something else you posted, but stopped, but the way this board works sometimes.... my apologies. I went and fixed it.

 

[JDL30]

I expect guest safety and the protection of the parks are a huge priority for Disney - not just because they have moral duty and duty of care to look after guests whilst on property, but also (and I agree this is pretty crude) because of the financial implications of a terrorist attack at a Disney park being catastrophic. We're all very quick to call Disney out for ensuring they get as much money from us as possible - but in this instance the aim of not losing business will mean they need to protect the image of the parks.

If (heaven forbid) anything happens in or around Disney property, the images going out into the world alone would be a PR and financial disaster for the Disney Parks and Vacation division. This makes me feel that they will do everything possible to keep guests safe (ok it may not be fool proof, but I'd imagine they are taking it very seriously).

 

[GhostHost1000]

I'm actually wondering if they should screen people before they load or after the come off the busses or before they get to the entrance of the MK at the TTC for car riders. As much as I hate to say it, there are A LOT of people that get queued up at the baggage check...and well.... that's not good considering what they are checking for ya know.

 

[rioriz]

I don't know how isolated it is. And I'm not talking about the ISIS connections. Sure, they claimed responsibility, but there's no evidence the shooter was trained or contacted by them. They took credit, yeah, but that's most likely so they can seem even bigger and scarier.

No, what I am talking about is that on the same day, in Santa Monica, another guy was arrested with guns trying to head to the Pride events there and cause trouble. The fact that two completely separate and unrelated guys can both plan to carry out mass attacks on LGBT individuals on the same weekend is remarkably troubling.

UPDATE: He pledged allegiance to ISIS

 

[JDL30]

UPDATE: He pledged allegiance to ISIS

He may have claimed allegiance, but ISIS is a pretty splintered organisation - there's a difference between a coordinated attack coming from the heart of the organisation and a a marginalised radical who associated himself with their views. Both are still devastating. but the root causes need to be tackled in different ways

 

[Mike S]

I'm actually wondering if they should screen people before they load or after the come off the busses or before they get to the entrance of the MK at the TTC for car riders. As much as I hate to say it, there are A LOT of people that get queued up at the baggage check...and well.... that's not good considering what they are checking for ya know.

None of that. What they should do is what has been suggested by @WDW1974. Hire the Israelis.

 

[Matt_Black]

UPDATE: He pledged allegiance to ISIS

And nowhere did I dispute that. Claiming an affiliation does not mean he was actually affiliated before hand.

 

[skyphotographer]

Agreed. If I saw this I'd just turn around and come back later...or not at all. Touring MK is enough of a hassle as is.

I have a trip planned for August. If I get to the MK and see this, it will be my last. 25 minutes of standing in a slow moving line in the Florida sun and heat? Not very magical.

 

[Sam Magic]

Heart is broken after these attacks. My heart pours out to all those in our beloved city of Orlando and any members of the LGBTQ community that also call these forums home. It is a tragedy that so much hate exists in our world and I can only hope that things can get better.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

He may have claimed allegiance, but ISIS is a pretty splintered organisation - there's a difference between a coordinated attack coming from the heart of the organisation and a a marginalised radical who associated himself with their views. Both are still devastating. but the root causes need to be tackled in different ways

Daesh stated months ago that believers should carry out this sort of attack. I believe the media inspired term is lone wolf, possible because they are fond of goats. People need to stop trying to rationalise things like this. These headbangers are not going to enter into any form of discussion, deluded politicians and their ilk will not accept that there are problems and that square pegs dont fit in round holes. Debate is silenced, criticism vilified and reality ignored at all costs, because it will mean accepting responsibility or taking decisions which may upset some of the elements in your core electorate support.

 

[JDL30]

Daesh stated months ago that believers should carry out this sort of attack. I believe the media inspired term is lone wolf, possible because they are fond of goats. People need to stop trying to rationalise things like this. These headbangers are not going to enter into any form of discussion, deluded politicians and their ilk will not accept that there are problems and that square pegs dont fit in round holes. Debate is silenced, criticism vilified and reality ignored at all costs, because it will mean accepting responsibility or taking decisions which may upset some of the elements in your core electorate support.

I don't think we are permitted to get in to a debate about the roots of fundamentalism on here (neither am I sure this is the right place) - however I can't share your view on this (although respect your opinion) - my point however is we don't know enough about this attacker and his pathway into supporting ISIS to judge at this point (neither do I think it's particularly useful)

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[Kylo Ken]

Bag check at the MK was very busy this morning. Screening was being much more thorough than normal. 25 mins to get through.

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Why are people complaining about this? It's for your safety! Yes it's not the most efficient process but at least there is some sort of process in place.

 

[Piebald]

I'm not sure how reputable People Magazine is but they are reporting that this guy visited WDW in April and May have possibly scouted it as a location to commit an act. Of course it's all media speculation as for all we know he could've just taken his kid there. Still scary.

 

[Kylo Ken]

Have you seen this process in action though? Its the most haphazard set up ever. I don't disagree with the premise behind it, but I certainly can't help but laugh when I'm ushered through a low budget metal detector on my way into the parks.

Yes I have seen it first hand. I've gone through the process many times. Like you said, it is very haphazard but they at least have a process. I am sure they will tweak it and make it more efficient. But let's be real, if there was no process and God forbid something happened, people would be yelling and screaming as to why there was nothing in place.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I don't think we are permitted to get in to a debate about the roots of fundamentalism on here (neither am I sure this is the right place) - however I can't share your view on this (although respect your opinion) - my point however is we don't know enough about this attacker and his pathway into supporting ISIS to judge at this point (neither do I think it's particularly useful)

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I don't think I suggested his pathway into fundamentalism, only that by its very nature, and the clue is in the word, fundamental, fundamentalists tend to be beyond rational discussion regardless of what drives their warped vision, be that religious, political or ice cream flavour.

But unfortunately I was not expressing a view just stating that Daesh called on these types of attacks, that is fact. Now everyone is free to believe or not if that or other factors were a motive. However having seen some supporters of this cult justifying their views on the back of the crusades, I have little faith on rationality being a factor. In fact Ive more faith in a politician telling the truth. As if.

 

[Matt_Black]

Have you seen this process in action though? Its the most haphazard set up ever. I don't disagree with the premise behind it, but I certainly can't help but laugh when I'm ushered through a low budget metal detector on my way into the parks.

You realize they had less than a day, right?

 

[Weather_Lady]

Any guesses how long it will take to install metal detectors and bag check at Disney Springs? I'm guessing lightning speed, given this news.

http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks

 

[danyoung56]

I have talked to a few people in the know and much of what Disney is doing isn't simply theater, it's designed to see how far they can push people.

I've seen you make this type of statement before, and while I respect your right to have and post this opinion, I just can't buy it. Sure, I can see the holes in the system, and of course a determined person could do harm to just about any location they pleased. But we have to do something, and I've gotta have faith that the people behind the TSA and security in general know more than I do, and that their efforts are worthwhile. To place some sinister motive on them out of limited anecdotal evidence is just not warranted.