Orlando man charged with hitting a Disney security guard during fight over COVID-19 mask rule

[Horizons '83]

The simple solution is for people to take responsibility for themselves when visiting private property and comply with the rules.

Masks are available at a vending machine at the main entrance, and also within gift shops inside the park.

If any of those options are not acceptable the guest has a simple choice to leave.

I think this can't be said enough. Personal responsibility is key.

My wife and I will be going for quick one 1 day/1 night stay at the Swan next Thursday. We have made the decision that she will not go to the parks with me for the first time ever, because she simply isn't comfortable with masks on all day and it wouldn't be a good experience for her. I will be going because I am ok with it. There isn't a one size fits all here, but you must be honest with yourself and ask would I really enjoy a full day with a mask, if not, don't go. If so, enjoy.

 

[disneygeek90]

Are those standards the same as Disney's?

If someone did enough research to know they needed a park reservation, they should know what the required masks are. I get an email every day before my park reservation reminding me of all rules and guidelines.

 

[JohnD]

The guy is guilty. He struck the security guard. Period. You could presuppose to understand him. COVID already has you on edge. His family came in with the wrong masks, leave, come back, and his daughter still has the wrong mask on. He loses it. Doesn't matter. He acted. He's guilty.

 

[HongKongFooy]

There is a mandatory face mask policy for anyone in public in Orange County to wear a face mask.

Yes, but with exceptions.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

The harm is you are refusing to take personal responsibility and deflecting it onto others.

I do believe people should be prepared, but mistakes sometimes happen.
Who are the others? Disney is a business, I am mearly suggesting a way, IMO, for their business to run more smoothly. They don't have to provide a bus to the parks either but they do. Should I complain that during a pandemic it makes no sense to provide that service, when they could just require families travel in their own car? No they want happy guests. If handing a 7 year old a mask is "magic" that puts the customer in a better mood, then that is good business. Those people are in the park in a good more more likely to spend money.

 

[HongKongFooy]

Disney should be giving free masks....

such lousy customer service.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

If someone did enough research to know they needed a park reservation, they should know what the required masks are. I get an email every day before my park reservation reminding me of all rules and guidelines.

Maybe people are just used to these mandatory rules not being so mandatory. I have had to tell people to back up, others to put their mask back on. It gets old and I wish stores would police it more themselves, but they want the business I guess. I understand Disney being strict and believe me I appreciate it.

The guy is guilty. He struck the security guard. Period. You could presuppose to understand him. COVID already has you on edge. His family came in with the wrong masks, leave, come back, and his daughter still has the wrong mask on. He loses it. Doesn't matter. He acted. He's guilty.

I don't disagree at all. Totally guilty. But having a background in both business and law, I like to look at solutions to things to keep problems from continuing to happen. One can say "personal responsibility a million times over" it doesn't address the problem.

 

[larryz]

I want to say this. I don't defend violence at all. But can someone answer me this? Does WDW provide masks to people if they come without to them or bring the wrong ones? What if your mask breaks during the day, can they provide one? For the price of tickets, I think they could afford to proved some of those disposable masks, or, heck even nicer disney themed ones, if they can give you a magic band with your reservation can't they give you a mask?

I hear what you're saying. I'm sympathetic. I've even seen for-profit businesses and non-profit museums provide masks so people can shop and visit. But masks and magic bands cost money. Disney has decided they've lost enough money already. To that end, (a) they'll gladly sell you a mask in the nearest gift shop, and (b) "free" magicbands with resort reservations are going away... "Magicbands will no longer be provided on a complimentary basis for new reservations for arrivals at Disney Resort hotels January 1, 2021 and beyond. However, Guests will have the option to purchase MagicBands. "

 

[easyrowrdw]

You are trying to make this Disney’s problem to solve. It is not.

It is the guests responsibility to comply with well published rules or not visit. This attitude of deflecting personal responsibility needs to stop.

It's their policy so it's absolutely their problem to solve. The solution can be "tough luck," as it is now, but that doesn't have to be the solution. Given that compliance appears to be high, their current plan is probably fine. But I don't think that rules out alternative approaches.

 

[Touchdown]

Disney requires pants and shirts for entry, are they expected to hand those out for free too when someone shows up without them?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

As much as I promote personal responsibility...someone upthread, I think, mentioned including cheap disposable masks (1 per person) with reservation materials prior to guest trips. That actually isn't a bad idea and might drive home how stringent Disney is with the rules. They could even be attached to a notice with the mask requirements, recommendations for how many each person will need per day, etc.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Disney requires pants and shirts for entry, are they expected to hand those out for free too when someone shows up without them?

I guess they can also stop providing band aides for customers that get a cut.

As much as I promote personal responsibility...someone upthread, I think, mentioned including cheap disposable masks (1 per person) with reservation materials prior to guest trips. That actually isn't a bad idea and might drive home how stringent Disney is with the rules. They could even be attached to a notice with the mask requirements, recommendations for how many each person will need per day, etc.

Disney would be lauded, on this site and others. It's good business. Maybe my mistake was bringing it up in this particular thread, considering the subject of it(guy hitting security) was a total douchebag.

 

[Touchdown]

I guess they can also stop providing band aides for customers that get a cut.

That’s a bit different anyone that visits first aid probably had something happen to them while in the park. They didint arrive with a bleeding cut. A mask is required by all for entry currently just like other articles of clothing. My analogy is more direct.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I really don’t know how to take this. I’m one of the regulars on those boards, and I posted in this thread too. The comments that have generated all the controversy here have come not from me or any of the other Politics folks, but from @TrainChasers. So I really don’t understand your point.

I don't see anything in those boards but the same discussion and attacks whenever I have the delusion to check the place out. I don't see how any of that energy can possibly bring clarity. I'm not calling out people, I'm calling out cult-mentality and the need to engage with it, assuming that THIS is the day things will resonate. And they never do.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

That’s a bit different anyone that visits first aid probably had something happen to them while in the park. They didint arrive with a bleeding cut. A mask is required by all for entry currently just like other articles of clothing. My analogy is more direct.

Neither of our analogies are direct. We are talking 10cent masks. Way cheaper than the buses provided by the park.

 

[larryz]

That’s a bit different anyone that visits first aid probably had something happen to them while in the park. They didint arrive with a bleeding cut. A mask is required by all for entry currently just like other articles of clothing. My analogy is more direct.

Neither of our analogies are direct. We are talking 10cent masks. Way cheaper than the buses provided by the park.

I agree, but that said, Disney is well-known for going above and beyond in aiding guests whose clothing has become unwearable due to protein spills, tears/cuts, or other mishaps. In this case, a free mask very well might have precluded the confrontation, but it'd be above and beyond what Disney would be required or expected to provide.

 

[donsullivan]

Neither of our analogies are direct. We are talking 10cent masks. Way cheaper than the buses provided by the park.

If they are so cheap, take responsibility for yourself and bring your own.

this entitlement perspective that they should provide them for free needs to stop. More than 50% of those visiting now are not even staying in hotels.

Disney and the other park operators agreed to these rules as a condition for reopening. Stop fighting against it and making it someone else’s responsibility and just bring and wear the proper mask.

if you are unwilling, then don’t visit.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

If they are so cheap, take responsibility for yourself and bring your own.

this entitlement perspective that they should provide them for free needs to stop. More than 50% of those visiting now are not even staying in hotels.

Disney and the other park operators agreed to these rules as a condition for reopening. Stop fighting against it and making it someone else’s responsibility and just bring and wear the proper mask.

I plan to. But stop looking at this as something other than a good business practice.
I don't think you have read anything I have written. Good lord stop trying to fight people.

 

[donsullivan]

I plan to. But stop looking at this as something other than a good business practice.

It is not good business practice to placate selfish and entitled guests who refuse to take responsibility for themselves

 

[ImperfectPixie]

If they are so cheap, take responsibility for yourself and bring your own.

this entitlement perspective that they should provide them for free needs to stop. More than 50% of those visiting now are not even staying in hotels.

Disney and the other park operators agreed to these rules as a condition for reopening. Stop fighting against it and making it someone else’s responsibility and just bring and wear the proper mask.

if you are unwilling, then don’t visit.

Chill. It's perfectly normal to try to think of ways Disney can make confrontations less likely while still condemning the jack-hole that assaulted a CM.