Orlando Becoming East Coast Headquarters for Disney Parks, Experiences, and Products

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Oh no…California wasn’t “strangling creativity” at WDI…

That’s a company smoke screen.

The reason to move to Orlando was to get cheaper/lower standards and make it less advantageous for the staff.
It’s a cost cutting move…you could smell the “skunk” the very minute it was announced.

I’m sure we’ll get a lot of delusions of grandeur about building more in Florida or “hiring away universal staff”…but if wishes were fishes…
WDI is now headed by a person that spent most of her career in commercial design, so is it any surprise the only things they’re tangibly moving forward on are DVC properties, cruise ships, and a reskin of an existing attraction?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
WDI is now headed by a person that spent most of her career in commercial design, so is it any surprise the only things they’re tangibly moving forward on are DVC properties, cruise ships, and a reskin of an existing attraction?
I mean…she basically is the queen of minute clinics

Medical facilities have been the traditional internal punching bag of the architectural world…just above prisons.

Could that fit any less?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I feel the “dead”comes from the fact that upper management feels there is no longer a need to be creative? We (the super duper Diz fans) keep cranking the turnstiles, so at this point why spend money on a segment of the company that spent (too much at times) money with little true return. If you don’t want a fifth park because it won’t bring the return on investment, possibly you think the same thing on any new ride developments in the future? No longer a big need for that part of the company… you can hire a company like AoA when you have an occasional need to create that “Mary Poppins Carousel”, someday-
makes me very sad, if this ends up being true- but that is my take.
Agree
I agree but the point is that a move to FL would kill two birds with one stone: save money and, since many weren’t willing to make the move, cut down on the headcount. I think what’s killing WDI is their bureaucracy. It costs them too darn much to build anything.
Agree

See I don’t see the creative/WDI issue as just being about accountants and execs.

It’s not popular not to say it…but a lot of the problem with WDI is because of WDI. And sadly Ive said that for two decades almost on forums?? (That can’t be right…I’m choosing not to acknowledge it 🤪)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think it is the mediocrity mandate that new ideas have to appeal to all so everything is bland. Give me a varied menu and let me choose but make it full of so much detail and content that everyone finds something that is great. That one little or great experience keeps you coming back to try to recapture the moment.
It's very much like an addict getting an amazing high or experience the first time and wanting to chase it again. Never exactly but maybe a new variant comes along and the chase is on once again. Theme parks are drugs if operated properly that keep the humans coming back to spend more.
There are no pioneers or lone rangers left, if you want to keep your job and progress you don't make waves and swallow every frustration that is handed down from above. Grind it out, keep your head down and collect at the end. So many are willing to settle for this.
Pretty twisted…
…but I dig the analogy, Reaper 💀
 

Disorbust

Well-Known Member
I really have mixed feeling on this. WDI had issues long before Covid and the move to lake Nona. Look at Harm and Enchanted, they were developed before the World shut down and are EPIC failures. Those shows were not a little oops, somehow that mistake on the lake got green lighted and I am guessing developed by people who rarely visit a theme park as a guest. So if the move to Florida brings new blood, I'm all for it.
 

WDWFanRay

Well-Known Member
They killed the move to Florida because Orlando area homes and rent went up almost 100% over two years. It was getting to be just too expensive for Disney to pay for the move. They feel in two or three years, prices will come down and the move will be much cheaper for them.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
They killed the move to Florida because Orlando area homes and rent went up almost 100% over two years. It was getting to be just too expensive for Disney to pay for the move. They feel in two or three years, prices will come down and the move will be much cheaper for them.
What happened to California real estate in that same time?
 

Disone

Well-Known Member
I think a lot of the problem is the Disney fan base willing to accept mediocracy as amazing.

For sure WDI is bloated and way too expensive. But they can and do produce amazing experiences that then get "value engineered" to very mediocre experiences.

I think galaxies edge falls into that bucket. I am just not impressed. RotR has impressive moments but to me it is NOT as amazing as Radiator Springs Racers and Flight of Passage.

But that just me. My opinion only. But the Disney fans.... I was watching a live broadcast of a fan/blogger reacting live to Josh's "announcing" all the attractions coming to the parks during D23.

He was BLOWN away by the D23 announcements. A constant barrage of positive comments like "Oh my goodness" , "only Disney", "that's amazing" and "I can't believe it" and for what???? A hat box ghost, a tangled spinner and a unknown replacement for not one but two failed nighttime spectaculars.

As much as wdwmagic can be overly critical the general audiences today drinks the juice and thinks this stuff is amazing! And Disney knows it. They would not value engineering something ( which is 100% code for doing LESS for LESS) if they felt their audience would be less accepting of it.

Six years to build Tron? A cloned super short eye candy coaster in the dark right next to the Original coaster in the dark finally opening on...... make that In spring 2023!

Instead of rage that fan base goes "omg that's amazing, I cannot wait!!!". And wait they will.

Meanwhile down the road not one but two vastly superior experiences, Hagrids and Velocicoaster have been designed, constructed, opened and are thrill universals fan base for what will literally be years before Tron even finally opens.

It's not a popular opinion by some but the relentless loyalty if the Disney Fan Base, ever willing to pay more and accept less because they love the product so much, IS a huge part of the problem.

Kill off the AP sales at Disneyland? Bob refers to their spending habits as unfavorable.... And what do they do. Instead of not going anymore they

-buy a multiday ticket,
-infinity more expensive per day then magic key
-buys shirt and prints "unfavorable" on it
-goes to park And of course doesn't buy a single thing while in the park. Not one. (Sarcasm)

Yeah, that'll teach the Disney accountants and executives a lesson. The expression laughing all the way to the bank comes to mind.

With loyalty like that, what would possibly inspire them to not buy the overly bloated, overly complex, but still cheapest version of what WDI pitches to them?
AND then ask them to go back to the drawing board and do it for 10% less?

There are so many things wrong with Disney right now but as long as the loyal fan base keeps opening their wallets, even when they know they're being screwed, none of those things are going to get fixed.
 
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GimpYancIent

Well-Known Member
I think a lot of the problem is the Disney fan base willing to accept mediocracy as amazing.

For sure WDI is bloated and way too expensive. But they can and do produce amazing experiences that then get "value engineered" to very mediocre experiences.

I think galaxies edge falls into that bucket. I am just not impressed. RotR has impressive moments but to me it is NOT as amazing as Radiator Springs Racers and Flight of Passage.

But that just me. My opinion only. But the Disney fans.... I was watching a live broadcast of a fan/blogger reacting live to Josh's "announcing" all the attractions coming to the parks during D23.

He was BLOWN away by the D23 announcements. A constant barrage of positive comments like "Oh my goodness" , "only Disney", "that's amazing" and "I can't believe it" and for what???? A hat box ghost, a tangled spinner and a unknown replacement for not one but two failed nighttime spectaculars.

As much as wdwmagic can be overly critical the general audiences today drinks the juice and thinks this stuff is amazing! And Disney knows it. They would not value engineering something ( which is 100% code for doing LESS for LESS) if they felt their audience would be less accepting of it.

Six years to build Tron? A cloned super short eye candy coaster in the dark right next to the Original coaster in the dark finally opening on...... make that In spring 2023!

Instead of rage that fan base goes "omg that's amazing, I cannot wait!!!". And wait they will.

Meanwhile down the road not one but two vastly superior experiences, Hagrids and Velocicoaster have been designed, constructed, opened and are thrill universals fan base for what will literally be years before Tron even finally opens.

It's not a popular opinion by some but the relentless loyalty if the Disney Fan Base, ever willing to pay more and accept less because they love the product so much, IS a huge part of the problem.

Kill off the AP sales at Disneyland? Bob refers to their spending habits as unfavorable.... And what do they do. Instead of not going anymore they

-buy a multiday ticket,
-infinity more expensive per day then magic key
-buys shirt and prints "unfavorable" on it
-goes to park And of course doesn't buy a single thing while in the park. Not one. (Sarcasm)

Yeah, that'll teach the Disney accountants and executives a lesson. The expression laughing all the way to the bank comes to mind.

With loyalty like that, what would possibly inspire them to not buy the overly bloated, overly complex, but still cheapest version of what WDI pitches to them?
AND ten ask them to go back to the drawing board and do it for 10% less?

There are so many things wrong with Disney right now but as long as the loyal fan base keeps opening their wallets, even when they know they're being screwed, none of those things are going to get fixed.
Absolutely correct!
 

TrojanUSC

Well-Known Member
They killed the move to Florida because Orlando area homes and rent went up almost 100% over two years. It was getting to be just too expensive for Disney to pay for the move. They feel in two or three years, prices will come down and the move will be much cheaper for them.

They also killed the move because they were hemorrhaging talent who were flat out refusing to move to Florida given the state's problematic politics.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It's by far the hottest area in central Florida. Having said that, the infrastructure is definitely not handling the amount of people they have now!
For 75 years…FLA-ridians have been saying that the swamplands are going to become the most crowded, highest of money enclaves in the history of the planet.

The predictions are always the same.

It never gets there. Just remember that.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Given the dubious quality, length of time to produce, and extremely high costs of production, a shakeup is sorely needed.
I actually would be in favor of ending it…

I know…I’ll be smited for that.

Management can’t use WDI effectively because it’s been pulled into their own financial echo chamber…
…and WDI has lost all sense of realities when it comes to their role/function in regards to efficiency and objectives.

It would likely Be just as effective if they were an outside/contracted entity now…like Pixar was before being purchased.
 

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