Opening WDW with Social Distancing

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
That is WITH the extreme measures in place. If you like statistics then you will realize it only takes a few percent of the world population dying to affect your entire way of life. With millions of people dead who will do the work that pays your salary, farms/harvests/produces/packs/ships/stages your food, cleans your water, provides for your medical care, builds your transportation vehicles, removes your garbage, repairs the roads you travel, and on and on and on....

Here's a stat for you. What are the chances you could do all of those things for yourself? If you think the global death percentage is low, wait till you see how low that percentage is. (Hint: it's statistically zero)

And if you think death is the only bad outcome you should ask the people who's lungs are permanently scarred or the thousands going for dialysis WHO DIDN'T DIE if the disease was "no big deal".
Yikes your life must be a constant nightmare if you're living in that kind of fear. The virus does not do what you're describing in 99.99% of cases. The "lung scarring" you're describing is even rarer than death.

As I said, let people choose for themselves. If you want to lock yourself in a bunker for the next two years, go for it.
 

eliza61nyc

Well-Known Member
Comments such as these and those in this category are going to age about as well as the late Feb/early Mar comments about this subject. Let's come back here to in November/December. If it wasn't so tragic it would be a hoot to read these.

well at least I believe we'll still be here in November/December. I'm hoping to also be able to read them while at the Beach club. I'm rescheduling my canceled August trip.

Again no where did I say this isn't tragic, most pandemics are. AIDS was tragic and it absolutely is sad the death toll that is resulting but that does not make the statement less true. the vast majority of people that will contract covid 19 will not die, will not need hospitalization.

so no I don't want to spend the next 18 months looking out the window at my sidewalk because I'm too scared to step out the door.
 
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ZoneOfTheEnder

Active Member
Enough people never would that it would not work.

Put it another way, a good 20% of my friends/acquaintances think this whole Covid crises is grossly overblown or a flat out farce (no worse than the flu). These people are not going to give a flip about social distancing.
There are two ways to look at this dichotomy - One If you have done any research into how Immunology Works and gone to the CDC Website to see what they say about the death and infection % rate of the common flu as well as research around death rates for all viruses you could form an opinion that the media has put "the sky is falling" level of panic around the globe. The other is how do Dairy Farmers deal with the coronavirus and is the Coronavirus a possible contributor to one getting the common cold.
Covid19 is a coronavirus and coronaviruses have been around for quite a while. Testing via PCR testing has a challenge since there is a translation from the viruses RNA to DNA (testing errors could give misleading results). One reason is that since coronavirus is present in the world one might have had exposure and developed antibodies to coronavirus. So were those tests results for Covid19 or just Coronavirus? A deep investigation is needed into wether or not the Yellow Press has caused a panic.
I don't know but I have been doing research and my daughter is a Biologist (Genetics) and was a nursing student who studied immunology. Just for your own peace of mind do some research into Immunology and how to combat infectious diseases and form your own conclusion.
 

eliza61nyc

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jaklgreen

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I would rather that they add hand washing stations instead of all of the sanitizer. People really need to be washing their hands more frequently, especially at restaurants. I have said this before, but places like D'Luxe Burger and Blaze pizza have no restrooms or hand washing stations in the actual restaurant and guests need to go to the restroom outside. This needs to change, especially with the nature of these food being eaten with your hands. It is clear that many people are quick to tell others what they need to do instead of taking personal responsibility. YOU keep the 6ft distance, YOU wear the mask, gloves etc to keep yourself safe. Yes, all people should be doing this but you can not control what others do so do what YOU need to do to keep safe. And from the beginning the experts never planned on having everyone stay home until there was a vaccine. It was always meant to be to "flatten the curve". Which was to help the hospitals from being over run. It seems that we are forgetting that. A lot of people will still get this or have had it this past winter without knowing it. Keeping things as they are now until everyone is vaccinated is not practical and it is easy for those who still have their jobs and are working from home to say.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
I would rather that they add hand washing stations instead of all of the sanitizer. People really need to be washing their hands more frequently, especially at restaurants. I have said this before, but places like D'Luxe Burger and Blaze pizza have no restrooms or hand washing stations in the actual restaurant and guests need to go to the restroom outside. This needs to change, especially with the nature of these food being eaten with your hands. It is clear that many people are quick to tell others what they need to do instead of taking personal responsibility. YOU keep the 6ft distance, YOU wear the mask, gloves etc to keep yourself safe. Yes, all people should be doing this but you can not control what others do so do what YOU need to do to keep safe. And from the beginning the experts never planned on having everyone stay home until there was a vaccine. It was always meant to be to "flatten the curve". Which was to help the hospitals from being over run. It seems that we are forgetting that. A lot of people will still get this or have had it this past winter without knowing it. Keeping things as they are now until everyone is vaccinated is not practical and it is easy for those who still have their jobs and are working from home to say.
I suggest that all the restaurants install hand-washing waterfalls at the entrance to each location. Auto soap dispenser, rub-rub-rub while you sing "Happy Birthday" (or the Mickey Mouse Club Theme) twice, and then rinse in the waterfall. Air dry your hands by waving good-bye to some CMs dressed like coronaviruses and press on in for your regular meal.
 
Let's start with the typical family of 4. I don't think that they're going to be walking into the park 24 feet wide (or long). Much less walking around it that way. So if it breaks down at the smallest level, that doesn't bode exactly well. It'd probably break down with a unit of 2.

I think possibly, protective gear of some sort could work. I'm not talking full blown bio-suits. But maybe some type of uniform mask, gloves, or who knows - maybe somebody devises a type of outfit (or headgear) that wouldn't be too cumbersome (or potentially brutal in the Florida summer).

I'm of the opinion (as are some of the prior posters), that this will evolve over time and will turn into a much different of an animal than it was when it started.
Your logic is flawed right from the beginning. Family units are not required to socially distance. That has been the rule from the start. If you already live together, you are not obligated to stand apart.

The concept that people aren't capable of maintaining their distance from each other is absolute idiocy (ranking right up there with the asinine and cringe-worthy "oops" of the original posting). It is really not that unfathomable for people to simply show courtesy when exploring the parks. How often has everyone heard "fill in all available space"? That's because people are prone to staying away from each other. Far fewer people will be returning to the parks, which means there will be much more space and much easier to maintain this distance. Implementation of barriers, ground markings, and virtual queues simplifies the process. It really isn't that complicated or that much of a hassle.
 

Tom P.

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Your logic is flawed right from the beginning. Family units are not required to socially distance. That has been the rule from the start. If you already live together, you are not obligated to stand apart.

The concept that people aren't capable of maintaining their distance from each other is absolute idiocy (ranking right up there with the asinine and cringe-worthy "oops" of the original posting). It is really not that unfathomable for people to simply show courtesy when exploring the parks. How often has everyone heard "fill in all available space"? That's because people are prone to staying away from each other. Far fewer people will be returning to the parks, which means there will be much more space and much easier to maintain this distance. Implementation of barriers, ground markings, and virtual queues simplifies the process. It really isn't that complicated or that much of a hassle.
I will bet you $10,000 right now that if something is not in some way enforced upon them, people will not voluntarily socially distance at Walt Disney World. There is 0% chance of that happening. All you have to do is look around at how people are behaving right now as even the slightest loosening of restrictions is kicking in. As soon as anything is opened, people are treating it like everything is back to normal. That is exactly how they are going to act at WDW unless they are forced to do otherwise.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I wonder how the Haunted Mansion stretching room would be handled? I MK they would have the option of just letting you walk straight through, maybe will the narration on a constant loop. Of course this would not work in DL.
 

MissViv

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this was on another thread but thought it was appropriate here also. seems to be a suggested roll out. evidently from the OC economic recovery task force

Good read. I think they will open to FL residents only at least for the month of June with no Disney transportation available i.e. monorails, buses, skyliner, or boats. The FL residents will drive their own cars to the park. This will keep people from traveling from other states and spreading the virus. FL is still in bad shape, from what I have been reading. Of course, that could be nursing homes and the elderly that have retired to FL.

Thoughts?
 

jaklgreen

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Good read. I think they will open to FL residents only at least for the month of June with no Disney transportation available i.e. monorails, buses, skyliner, or boats. The FL residents will drive their own cars to the park. This will keep people from traveling from other states and spreading the virus. FL is still in bad shape, from what I have been reading. Of course, that could be nursing homes and the elderly that have retired to FL.

Thoughts?

It has to worth it financially to open up. Are enough people in Florida going to go to the parks every day for them to even bother opening up? I doubt it. And they won't be able to predict how many will show up on any given day. At least with their resorts booked, they can get a general idea on many are likely to go to the parks. And what if you have someone that has driven from another state and are staying off site, are they going to check everyone's ID to make sure that they live in Florida and turn others away? Nope. And you can't turn DVC members away.
 

ZoneOfTheEnder

Active Member
That explains the myth busters section on WHO website :p
There have also been speculation about the HAARP program in Alaska which uses high frequency energy to effect the weather and that 5G can cause sinus headaches that can be severe. I would do some internet searches about HAARP and 5G.
Both HAARP and 5G transmissions can effect the inner ear causing disorientation, dizziness, nausea and loss of focus.
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
A few things you left out... the finger print scanners aren't going to work on rubber gloves and who is going to want to touch a scanner that was touched by someone else?

Now think about when you go to a super market they will now wipe down the carts for you because again who wants to touch a cart handle that was held by someone else? Well if gloves are worn by all that isn't an issue with having to clean lap bars on every ride but on rides you would expect them to wipe down the seating area and place because it is going to be a petri dish of everything (not that it wasn't already) and that isn't going to be feasible on rides where the ride cars never stop moving or only pause for a few seconds to let out a rider.

Now to make things simple don't go by a 6 foot rule, it is easier to look at what 6 foot rule requires which is 144 square feet per guest. You get this by visualizing that a person standing in an open field is 6 feet from someone north of them 6 fee from someone south of them, east of them and west of them so thats a 12 foot square box, and 12 times 12 gives you 144 square feet so just find the total square feet in any area and that is the maximum number of people you would put there. You can use that to determine the capacity of areas by using google maps and their distancing feature when looking at MK. You can also use it to get rough estimate of the real capacity of the ferries which as 120 feet long and 35 feet wide, of course you need to cut make allowances for the front and rear loading areas on the ferries which aren't open to people during the ride which is about 10 fee on each end so you really have more like 100 by 35 foot area... don't assume any reduction for the stairways which are also off limits the reduction in capacity is still dramatic. 100 by 35 foot area is 3500 square feet which would allow 24 people... but a ferry has 2 levels so double it and you get 48 people per ferry which actually has a capacity of 600 people under normal operating conditions. Usually they run 2 ferries at a time so you normally have about a ten minute wait between ferries. So when you normally had 6 ferry trips taking guest per hour or 3600 people per hour.. .now you have a whopping 288 guests per hour. So to get the number of guests you could get from TTC to the main gate you would need more than 12 hours.. so basically the first 3600 guests that were going to use the ferries would still be waiting to go into the park when you had others leaving the park.

You can also use this 144 square feet number to make other rough estimates of the total park capacity... Measure the box created by the train tracks and you see its basically a 2250 foot square or 5,062,500 square feet which if an open field could with unusable areas would be able to hold a little over 35,000 people... but then we know the reality is a huge amount of the area is taken up by areas where a guest cannot go, such as river and water areas, kitchens, storage areas and ride areas that are off limits. Exactly how much of the area is off-limits is unknown but you could safely assume 50% though the reality is probably much closer to 75%... that means you really only have at best 17,000 or more likely 8,700 capacity. So could the park operate on that low of a capacity? Well about 15 years ago a special event had a max capacity of around 25,000. Disney was never going to plan to operate at a loss and probably assumed they would sell a certain percent of the tickets for any given event night. Say 70%... which means they were fine with 17,500 people guests. Which is
a higherthreshold than you get with a best case 17,000 people. Now consider that 15 years ago your costs were lower and the required number of people to cover costs is probably slightly higher... So is it likely Disney can exist with the lowered capacity? No.

Your math would be correct if every visitor was a solo guest - which is not the case. Families can be as close as they wish. Couples can be as close as they wish. Even friends who traveled together can be as close as they wish.
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
Please take the political posts to the correct forum, along with any we should/should not have locked down posts. Along with we have more deaths with ------ posts.

They are circular arguments that go no where - people would just like to think about (and speculate on) how they might be able to return to WDW.
 

zengoth

Well-Known Member
Good read. I think they will open to FL residents only at least for the month of June with no Disney transportation available i.e. monorails, buses, skyliner, or boats. The FL residents will drive their own cars to the park. This will keep people from traveling from other states and spreading the virus. FL is still in bad shape, from what I have been reading. Of course, that could be nursing homes and the elderly that have retired to FL.

Thoughts?
No Disney transportation and MK being open? Then what will guests do once they park their cars at the TTS? Walk the route from the Poly past the GFloridian and hope they've finished the bridge?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Original Poster
No Disney transportation and MK being open? Then what will guests do once they park their cars at the TTS? Walk the route from the Poly past the GFloridian and hope they've finished the bridge?

Ferries and buses. A lot more buses. Which might be a limiting factor for just opening one or two parks a day.
 

ZoneOfTheEnder

Active Member
Unfortunately, this is spot on.
A funny - Not to worry. Have you heard of the use of Drones to take vital telemetry of guests, the question that will be asked of guests before entering the parks and maybe the resorts and Disney Springs? Big brother Disney will be watching you and zazzam a Disney Security cast member will pop up and wisk offenders off to Disney jail for infractions of social distancing and having a fever/cough or sneezing. Sounds like fun times.
 

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