Frank Stallone
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Jedi Training Academy alone is probably going to be more memorable in the end than Harry Potter's Nerd Kingdom.
Let's see Universal try and pull of a Harry Potter Weekend 6 weekends of the year, and see if it sustains.
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Only a year and a half away from Harry Potter Land and still nothing from Disney!
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Jedi Training Academy alone is probably going to be more memorable in the end than Harry Potter's Nerd Kingdom.
Let's see Universal try and pull of a Harry Potter Weekend 6 weekends of the year, and see if it sustains.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
Do you have any idea what Universal is developing for this addition, or are you just assuming that because it's Universal it's going to be terrible compared to the great, all-powerful Disney?
NemoRocks78
Seized
Most new attractions have fallen into this category.What's the chance that Potterville will draw big crowds when it first opens because many people want to initially see it, but then the crowds dwindle as it becomes a 'been there, done that' item?
Mission Space followed that pattern.
jane.steve11
Member
With reference to international visitors, the addition of Harry Potter land could actually increase visitors to Disney, as many Brits, who may or may not have been to Orlando will be persuaded to go (back) on the back of HP. If this is the case, many of the families will actually spend more time in Disney as we tend to come for a couple of weeks and IOA and US only take up a couple of days max.
HMF
Well-Known Member
That is probably because at this point in time WDI will bow down to what managment wants. Originality is out the window. WDI's recent track record includes The new ending to Spaceship Earth , Putting movie elements in POTC,adding characters to Its a Small World. I honestley don't blame J.K. Rowling for trusting Universal over WDI considering WDI's recent track record.
majortom1981
Active Member
hmm
I think people are forgetting about our economies problem and that its expensive to go to disney. Disney will be in trouble. Disney even stated that in the next year they are expecting a drop in attendance.
Universal is cheaper . Then add a huge thing like Harry Potter to it and I feel the only way Disney wont have a huge problem is some kind of huge sale in hotel and park tickets.
I think people should keep this in mind.
I think people are forgetting about our economies problem and that its expensive to go to disney. Disney will be in trouble. Disney even stated that in the next year they are expecting a drop in attendance.
Universal is cheaper . Then add a huge thing like Harry Potter to it and I feel the only way Disney wont have a huge problem is some kind of huge sale in hotel and park tickets.
I think people should keep this in mind.
hokielutz
Well-Known Member
Just so it is understood.... when The Land that Shall Not Be Named Potter-Land is open, my wife and I will most likely take a day or so to visit it. Both of us love the books and are eagerly looking forward to the final 3 theatrical installments. At the same time, we are hard-core Disney fans, so it will be great to see it, breathe it, and experience it. But it will not likely cause us to change our travel plans so we visit Univ/IOA more than we have in the past. Its similar to the Kennedy Space Center, SeaWorld, etc. They make great day trips every now and then, but it is not something we will constantly visit.
But getting back to my point... regardless of who spurned who... I just don't see Disney benefitting that much from HP. Univ will surely see a greater benefit for its parks because of an increase in foot traffic, and Univ desperately need more foot traffic after going backwards the last three years.
Since WB and JKR own the intellectual rights, images, movies, characters, etc.... Disney would be paying them a pretty penny so they could open a few attractions or small park in WDW. I just don't see that big of a bang for Disney's buck.
I can't say that the decision makers at Disney had this in mind when it came time to decide, but in retrospect, it makes sense to me that they are better off without strapping themselves to it. Keep Imagineering at work and develop what you need in-house. Stay the course.
But getting back to my point... regardless of who spurned who... I just don't see Disney benefitting that much from HP. Univ will surely see a greater benefit for its parks because of an increase in foot traffic, and Univ desperately need more foot traffic after going backwards the last three years.
Since WB and JKR own the intellectual rights, images, movies, characters, etc.... Disney would be paying them a pretty penny so they could open a few attractions or small park in WDW. I just don't see that big of a bang for Disney's buck.
I can't say that the decision makers at Disney had this in mind when it came time to decide, but in retrospect, it makes sense to me that they are better off without strapping themselves to it. Keep Imagineering at work and develop what you need in-house. Stay the course.
Space Mountain
Well-Known Member
Eh...kind of....you aren't missing much .... :snore:
coasterphil
Well-Known Member
This two posts are just awesome. Midway Mania tugs at emotions/has a story? A relatively low budget show is better than a huge immersive world? I understand that people love Disney, but some of the stuff in these threads just gets to be ridiculous.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
No... they just opened an entirely new park since then.
nuttyskadork
New Member
Don't forget about the Rip, Ride, Rockit coaster at City Walk too. I think Disney ought to be looking at building another coaster at some point in the next few years.
hrcollectibles
Active Member
Its not like they are building an ENTIRE theme park for this franchise it is a re-theming of a land in Islands of Adventure. Sure it will attract a lot of people. But I don't see this being a multiple day attraction and I think Disney does have something in the works.. but they are waiting for the right time. I mean in less than a years we will have 2 new attractions .. Toy Story Mania and the American Idol Experience.
RiversideBunny
New Member
No matter what happens, it looks like Potterville will be the make it or break it for Universal Studios.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
And in less than two years, Universal will open WWoHP (that does include two new attractions, one of which could be considered an E-Ticket) at IoA and Rip, Ride, Rocket at Universal Studios, a roller coaster whose main lift hill will actually house a stage for concerts and riders will be able to choose the type of music they ride to and upload videos of their ride on YouTube immediately following their trip.
So... what is Disney doing?
Legacy
Well-Known Member
No matter what happens, it looks like Potterville will be the make it or break it for Universal Studios.
*bang*
Go enjoy Cowboy Town at Mickey Mouse World why don't ya.
Frank Stallone
New Member
I'm basing it off of The Simpsons Ride, Disaster Studios, and The Mummy. If I recall correctly, their last three attractions to open. Two of the three were (or are) hyped greatly by Universal and ended up being rather underwhelming. Disaster Studios sadly is the only one that didn't dissapoint, and that's thanks to Christopher Walken in the preshow, and that expectations were low to begin.
Every few years, Universal trots out it's next "this is our superior product to Disney", and it fails. The Mummy was somewhat a rebuttal to Rock'n Roller Coaster. Their domed fireworks hoopla (whatever it's called) was hyped up as the fireworks that will "blow Illuminations out of the water". The Simpsons ride was built for....well, I really don't know. Do they know? All three have been underwhelming, and I have no reason to believe that Harry Potter's Geekatronic Hoedown will be anything from the norm.
The one attraction that I give Universal credit for (Spiderman-which, btw, I think is the best ride in Orlando), was designed by a fella who now works for Disney. Coincidentally, he was also in charge of the Harry Potter project before the promotion.
Keep in mind, I have an annual pass for Universal (it's so hard to fork over a whopping $16 a month), and go there often, although not as often as I visit Disney as a guest. I try not to compare the two, considering Universal doesn't really belong in the same sentence most of the time.
MickeyMind
Active Member
I for one am glad, that disney didnt get the rights to harry, They wouldnt have done it justice...the only way they wouldve gone all out is if some BIG company like the olc was behind it, and that never wouldve happened here in the states.
Just look at what disney has done in wdw with the other franchises it acquired... star wars- one out-dated simulator, Muppets- one crappy OUTDATED 3d film, Indiana jones -an outdated stunt show, even pooh gets a crappy dark ride in wdw.. none of these franchise attractions can even hold a candle to what uni is about to do with harry...and these are all franchises worth much more then a tinnnny tinnny section of a park, heck isnt the whole area where start tours, muppets and indiana smaller than what is being proposed for harry?
I'm just glad disney didnt get harry.. theyre slacking wayyy too much now, the value is slowly fading, and that complacency is whats going to hurt them the most in the long run.....therefore I'm glad rowling took her business elsewhere, and I have no doubt in my mind that uni is going to create an amazing experience.. and I hope that they DO reel away many wdw guests, maybe that will show Disney that they need to step up theyre game.
Just look at what disney has done in wdw with the other franchises it acquired... star wars- one out-dated simulator, Muppets- one crappy OUTDATED 3d film, Indiana jones -an outdated stunt show, even pooh gets a crappy dark ride in wdw.. none of these franchise attractions can even hold a candle to what uni is about to do with harry...and these are all franchises worth much more then a tinnnny tinnny section of a park, heck isnt the whole area where start tours, muppets and indiana smaller than what is being proposed for harry?
I'm just glad disney didnt get harry.. theyre slacking wayyy too much now, the value is slowly fading, and that complacency is whats going to hurt them the most in the long run.....therefore I'm glad rowling took her business elsewhere, and I have no doubt in my mind that uni is going to create an amazing experience.. and I hope that they DO reel away many wdw guests, maybe that will show Disney that they need to step up theyre game.
Frank Stallone
New Member
Can't be any worse than the Simpsons ride.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
Seems like you do a good job of comparing the two though. I'm glad that you have enough disposable income to keep knocking the price of Universal's AP. A lot of people (and even people on this site) would like to have APs to both parks, which I'm assuming you do.
There are no other dark-ride/coaster hybrids like RotM. The closest thing to it is Everest (which strangely... people don't try to compare it to...). The Simpsons are a huge pop culture icon that many people still enjoy... and they're good for marketing. Disaster was retheme of Earthquake with a new pre-show. Universal 360 (since you don't care enough to know) suffers, not from creativity, but nosy neighbors who don't like loud noises after 8 pm.
And though you think Universal has the best ride in Orlando... you have no faith that Universal can do anything?