Only a year and a half away from Harry Potter Land and still nothing from Disney!

[bjlc57]

how...

I bet Disney waits until right before Potterland opens and steals Universals thunder...at least that is what I would do...

So the Harry Potter attractions open at Universal.. How does Disney steal their thunder..

are they secretly making rides that will open the same day? are e ticket rides going to be flown in from other parts of the country and set up in a week?

No..

Disney is sitting on their laurels.. and they are standing still. But there is no standing still in business, either you are going forward or backward..

and right now Disney and WDW is going backward. Because they are too cheap to keep up with the situation.. Something Walt would NEVER DO.
all Disney is worried about is PROFIT MARGINS, instead of expanding the parks.

Universal is doing something that Disney cannot do.. Bring in something at IT PRIME TIME. Harry Potter will be at its TOTAL PRIME with the final Three movies coming out. ( the last book is being divided in two)..

When this attraction OPENS all three of these movies will be in play in either theaters or on HBO or DVD.. This will hit right a the series peak.

and I am sorry, but DISNEY totally shot themselves in the foot on this one.

The poster that said that Harry Potter isn't that big.. isn't reading the business report. JK Rowling went from homeless to the second wealthiest woman in England. Only the Queen is wealthier..

Sorry but Disney and its pompousness and arrogance is going to take a beating on this one. and Because they haven't acted or announced something big and something new. its going to cost them BIG TIME.

thats a simple truth.

 

[DisneyExplorer]

Isn't that the MK experience now? Or EPCOT? Or DHS?

The other close, "richly themed" experience I can think of is going to Capitol Hill. A bunch of criminals, just like prison. :lookaroun

I didn't mean the parks themeselves, but instead, I meant the attractions. The richly immersive, highly detailed attractions are what give the parks their magical aura. We have plenty of open space for Disney to build something great on all levels and enhance the magic the parks offer even more. Some areas of the parks are getting kind of stale, and a new super attraction couldn't hurt to liven them up as well as make the fans happy.

 

[yankspy]

So the Harry Potter attractions open at Universal.. How does Disney steal their thunder..

are they secretly making rides that will open the same day? are e ticket rides going to be flown in from other parts of the country and set up in a week?

No..

Disney is sitting on their laurels.. and they are standing still. But there is no standing still in business, either you are going forward or backward..

and right now Disney and WDW is going backward. Because they are too cheap to keep up with the situation.. Something Walt would NEVER DO.
all Disney is worried about is PROFIT MARGINS, instead of expanding the parks.

Universal is doing something that Disney cannot do.. Bring in something at IT PRIME TIME. Harry Potter will be at its TOTAL PRIME with the final Three movies coming out. ( the last book is being divided in two)..

When this attraction OPENS all three of these movies will be in play in either theaters or on HBO or DVD.. This will hit right a the series peak.

and I am sorry, but DISNEY totally shot themselves in the foot on this one.

The poster that said that Harry Potter isn't that big.. isn't reading the business report. JK Rowling went from homeless to the second wealthiest woman in England. Only the Queen is wealthier..

Sorry but Disney and its pompousness and arrogance is going to take a beating on this one. and Because they haven't acted or announced something big and something new. its going to cost them BIG TIME.

thats a simple truth.

Assume much.

 

[bjlc57]

as for a poster that said..

for the poster that said that the fad is fading..

they said that about TV too in the 40's and 50's..

and the same with VHS..and DVD.. and Cassettes..

it will never stick..

just keep believing that..

I mean for example.. what year did Snow White come out in the theaters?


I rest my case..

 

[bjlc57]

and you can say what you will

say what you will about my major observation..

But ever since the days of Eisner and since Frank Wells died.. all the big plans for keeping Walt's real dreams alive, have ended.

its all about tracking, and dollars, and profit taking right now.. But when you stop putting money back, when you stop expanding.. When you slip, even a little bit.

it hurts. and its a hurt that's like a freight train.. it doesn't seem likes its moving very fast. but once it is rolling it takes miles to stop it.

Go back and read the Business Disney books. See how Eisner and his arrogance totally screwed up by not hiring Jeffrey Katzenberg as Wells' replacement.. and how many millions of dollars went to Ovitz for 18 months worth of trashing the place? and how many millions of dollars just to get rid of him..

Boy he, Katzenberg, has done really poorly for himself hasn't he since Eisner pushed him aside. Yep his movies haven't been a torn in Disney's side have they?

you just keep buying into that Disney is right all the time.. and watch what happens.

 

[fosse76]

All three have been underwhelming, and I have no reason to believe that Harry Potter's Geekatronic Hoedown will be anything from the norm..

I like how you keep referring to people who like Harry Potter "geeks," as if Disney fans aren't called geeks. And we know no one ever thinks to call Star Wars fans geeks. Who would dare!

 

[RiversideBunny]

I am a casual fan. I wouldn't mind seeing Pottyland....

Bang, Legacy !

_______
BTW- I am a big Harry Potter fan. The latest movie comes out November 21, I think. I have read the books, seen the movies.

It may be difficult, though, to turn a set of books and movies into attractions that keep people coming back. Making movies from the books took a lot of skill and effort.
It's possible to put artifacts and objects from the Harry Potter stories into a theme park but it will be difficult to keep it from just being like a museum.

I hope Universal does do a good job of it. I hope it's a super tribute to the world of Harry Potter. If they come up with something like flying through Hogwarts on Buckbeak, or in Ron's flying car, that would be great.
If they aren't carefull, though, it could just be mostly a static attraction where people walk through Hogwarts as with the Swiss Family Treehouse.

When we go to Orlando, we go for the purpose of being at Walt Disney World.
Universal is going to have to score a five out of five rating with Harry Potter's Playful Spot to get us, and others, to give up some WDW park time.

 

[yankspy]

say what you will about my major observation..

But ever since the days of Eisner and since Frank Wells died.. all the big plans for keeping Walt's real dreams alive, have ended.

its all about tracking, and dollars, and profit taking right now.. But when you stop putting money back, when you stop expanding.. When you slip, even a little bit.

it hurts. and its a hurt that's like a freight train.. it doesn't seem likes its moving very fast. but once it is rolling it takes miles to stop it.

Go back and read the Business Disney books. See how Eisner and his arrogance totally screwed up by not hiring Jeffrey Katzenberg as Wells' replacement.. and how many millions of dollars went to Ovitz for 18 months worth of trashing the place? and how many millions of dollars just to get rid of him..

Boy he, Katzenberg, has done really poorly for himself hasn't he since Eisner pushed him aside. Yep his movies haven't been a torn in Disney's side have they?

you just keep buying into that Disney is right all the time.. and watch what happens.

I am confused. I thought the biggest expansions were under Eisner.

 

[hokielutz]

say what you will about my major observation..

But ever since the days of Eisner and since Frank Wells died.. all the big plans for keeping Walt's real dreams alive, have ended.

its all about tracking, and dollars, and profit taking right now.. But when you stop putting money back, when you stop expanding.. When you slip, even a little bit.

it hurts. and its a hurt that's like a freight train.. it doesn't seem likes its moving very fast. but once it is rolling it takes miles to stop it.

Go back and read the Business Disney books. See how Eisner and his arrogance totally screwed up by not hiring Jeffrey Katzenberg as Wells' replacement.. and how many millions of dollars went to Ovitz for 18 months worth of trashing the place? and how many millions of dollars just to get rid of him..

Boy he, Katzenberg, has done really poorly for himself hasn't he since Eisner pushed him aside. Yep his movies haven't been a torn in Disney's side have they?

you just keep buying into that Disney is right all the time.. and watch what happens.

Tell us how you really feel... :lookaroun

 

[fosse76]

Actually, if I recall correctly, Disney only wanted to do a themed ride, it was Universal that proposed an entire area devoted to Potter. As for risk, it is only a risk for Universal. WB will gain in licensing fees no matter what happens. And so what if Universal is retheming an area? Some of you act as if Disney doesn't re-theme anything.

 

[hokielutz]

for the poster that said that the fad is fading..

and the same with VHS..and DVD.. and Cassettes..

it will never stick..

.

Not to be too much of a smart-alec... but where are VHS and Cassettes today?? They've given way to Blu-ray, CDs, MP3s, etc.... Only stuck around until the next best thing.

 

[Chezman1399]

Ok everyone keeps syaing a land is being taken out for this? Last time I was at IoA they were building it behind an area between Dueling Dragons and Jurassic Park. Nothing was removed at that time.

 

[Legacy]

Ok everyone keeps syaing a land is being taken out for this? Last time I was at IoA they were building it behind an area between Dueling Dragons and Jurassic Park. Nothing was removed at that time.

Enchanted Oak, the Flying Unicorn and Dueling Dragons are all going to be part of WWoHP.

But there is still the other side of Lost Continent with Sinbad and Posieden's Fury that will remain the same.

And people don't realize that there is a decent amount of space to expand behind those two attractions as well.

 

[Chezman1399]

I am confused. I thought the biggest expansions were under Eisner.

I believe you are right. In fact, Animal Kingdom and MGM were both opened under Eisner. They added the Value Resorts as well as many other additions under Eisner and he was at the helm for most things in recent Disney History up through Everest. Also he was highly regarded as one of the greatest CEOs in American History until he went in to Post 9/11 Panic mode, and started cutting everywhere to save money when there was really no need.

 

[Chezman1399]

That's what I thought nothing is being removed, just being Assimilated into part of this new land.

 

[bjlc57]

it all changed when ..

For Eisner, it all changed when Frank Wells' helicopter crashed.

Then it was Ovitz instead of Katzenberg. and that two was a fatal mistake.

Wells was the brains behind the expansion.. not Eisner. But it was a three headed beast that couldn't be stopped between Eisner, Wells and Katzenberg. they were a great team. and they all brought different things to the table..

and Eisner lost one to a tragic accident, and the other to his own arrogance.


Even Trump said that Eisner's best moves were realizing the parks were underpriced.. and he left the expansion stuff to the two other guys..

 

[T-i-doubleguher]

So the Harry Potter attractions open at Universal.. How does Disney steal their thunder..

are they secretly making rides that will open the same day? are e ticket rides going to be flown in from other parts of the country and set up in a week?

No..

Disney is sitting on their laurels.. and they are standing still. But there is no standing still in business, either you are going forward or backward..

and right now Disney and WDW is going backward. Because they are too cheap to keep up with the situation.. Something Walt would NEVER DO.
all Disney is worried about is PROFIT MARGINS, instead of expanding the parks.

Universal is doing something that Disney cannot do.. Bring in something at IT PRIME TIME. Harry Potter will be at its TOTAL PRIME with the final Three movies coming out. ( the last book is being divided in two)..

When this attraction OPENS all three of these movies will be in play in either theaters or on HBO or DVD.. This will hit right a the series peak.

and I am sorry, but DISNEY totally shot themselves in the foot on this one.

The poster that said that Harry Potter isn't that big.. isn't reading the business report. JK Rowling went from homeless to the second wealthiest woman in England. Only the Queen is wealthier..

Sorry but Disney and its pompousness and arrogance is going to take a beating on this one. and Because they haven't acted or announced something big and something new. its going to cost them BIG TIME.

thats a simple truth.

honestly, I'm glad Universal got this franchise, it will help develope their resort more and will bring a bigger boom in attendence. If Disney had this franchise, think of the chaos that it would bring to their parks. For one, if it was at Magic Kingdom, a significant expansion would be needed, because everytime I go in spring break, the park is at capacity, and Harry Potter would cause Magic Kingdom to be even more of a nightmare. Not to mention the theming has no place in any park. Devoting so much precious land that disney can use for other expansion on one franchise simply is catering to one audience, not something that multiple groups can enjoy. I think you jump the gun by calling Disney out on this one, saying how much retaliation they will experiance. No offense, but what does one agitated theme park goer know about Disney's inner workings and how Universal will trump Disney? How ignorant is that? there are some many factors at work, its impossible to say how Harry Potter will affect Disney. And sorry to burst your bubble, but how can you possibly think Universal isn't thinking about their "profit margins"? It is a business, and the sooner you understand that, the more will make sense to you. Leave Disney alone and let this be a positive experiance for both companies. Competiton is healthy.

 

[Conrad3000]

Harry Potter

Why should we think that Harry potter will be anything more then a slight redressing of a small piece of the park?

 

[opshannon]

Why should we think that Harry potter will be anything more then a slight redressing of a small piece of the park?

What's your point? We get it. Disney is the greatest thing ever. Since it didn't get the Potter rights, the Potter addition will be lousy. If Disney had gotten it, there would be peace in the Middle East. :hammer:

 

[durangojim]

I think the way Disney will combat this is offer additional enticements to staying at its resorts primarily with some kind of special fast pass for folks staying on property. The technology behind this has already been developed. I think they will also emphasize the value that you get when staying at Disney (regardless of how much they raise room prices) -- Magical Express, free transportation, EMH. They can't prevent people from seeing the new attraction, but they can prevent people from wanting to spend extra time at IOW or Universal and especially from wanting to stay there.