On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

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For those of you who keep insisting that the upkeep of the parks is "fine" and "unnoticable to normal guests", please keep this photo in mind. We need to frame this in every major office for every United States park. It serves as a reminder that Disney used hold itself to a standard far above the rest. While considered extreme, it was one that defined the company's legacy to this day, something we've somehow lost along the way.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Yes, but I am referring more to the fact that single day guests get treated as superior simply because they spend more money in short bursts. Passholders commit a few thousand each year while day guests spend a fraction of that. Honestly passholder treatment has declined over the course of 20 years.
Well . . . day guests (at least the ones who stay close to a week, not literal one-day guests) tend to spend the same or more than AP's do in a year, but in a much more concentrated period of time. And really, the treatment isn't SO different - they offer mild advantages on occassion, which is pretty reasonable.

I'm an AP and I'd love more perks, but I understand the impulse to offer higher value to guests staying on property for 5-7 days and buying multiple Park Hoppers for each day over the guests who opt in on a lower lump-sum and spend less money on average over the course of a full year while taking up as much space as the out-of-towner.

Doesn't mean they can't do better by their APers, and I'll agree treatment has declined, but I don't think that's unique to us AP's - it's declined across the board. But we're really not the bread and butter many of us like to believe we are. For the most part we're savvy loyalists who actually spend less money over 52 weeks than many "typical" guests spend in 1.

EDITED To Add: Think of it this way - if the average literal One-Day guest spends, say, $300 on themselves in that one day, the average Annual Passholder spends nowhere near that. So do you want your days to be loaded with guests paying $300 to be there (of which there mostly seems to be no short supply), or full of guests who each spend, like, $50 while they're in the park? Like I said, they take up the same space - they're both paying for the right to be there and deserve to get their money's worth, but it makes sense that you'd make the effort to incentivize one more than the other.
 
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celluloid

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For those of you who keep insisting that the upkeep of the parks is "fine" and "unnoticable to normal guests", please keep this photo in mind. We need to frame this in every major office for every United States park. It serves as a reminder that Disney used hold itself to a standard far above the rest. While considered extreme, it was one that defined the company's legacy to this day, something we've somehow lost along the way.

Now it would be a photo of a Rosen Graduate walking with Trash Pickers against the ground like a Cane.
 

Lilofan

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Less bad leadership positions, still possibly bad leadership. The lauerels and philosophies have to change, not the amount.
That's not always the case. Some in companies lose their jobs because their positions can be combined with another position or their jobs are no longer needed. The bad leadership assumption always gets talked about.
 

celluloid

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That's not always the case. Some in companies lose their jobs because their positions can be combined with another position or their jobs are no longer needed. The bad leadership assumption always gets talked about.

If you use a trash picker against the ground as if a walking cane in front of all guests, that is a bad example of leadership. That is the bad leadership I am speaking of. You can have ten top leadership positions become five, if they had the same negative influence or atmospheres, then you have the same bad or worse leadership. It takes philosophy changes or reform to make things better. Less drops of posison in a drink can still be enough to seem like poision.
 

Lilofan

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If you use a trash picker against the ground as if a walking cane in front of all guests, that is a bad example of leadership. That is the bad leadership I am speaking of. You can have ten top leadership positions become five, if they had the same negative influence or atmospheres, then you have the same bad or worse leadership. It takes philosophy changes or reform to make things better. Less drops of posison in a drink can still be enough to seem like poision.
Try walking in their shoes and see what pressures they deal with day to day. It's different from punching a time clock to start your day. If you want to make a difference, "stop talking and start doing" .- Walt Disney quote
 
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Hcalvert

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Tell me more about what I don’t know.

Or I can tell you about how unions are a joke in a right to work state. And I say this as a former teamster and former member of IATSE.
I agree that unions in a right to work state are substantially weaker than their counterparts. No striking and "my way or the highway" mentality doesn't work for me and I would not pay contributions toward it to really not have protections. I was a teacher in Florida and when they didn't do much to stop merit pay and the dissolution of tenure, I left even though I would have been grandfathered in. I knew I was giving up tenure, but the experience steps increase was a joke (like $250/year), so that didn't really sway me either.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Mayer is in a different category. Poor guy was being groomed to be the next ceo and then Iger played favorites and pulled the Chapek card bc he knew the ship was sinking. Then Mayer made a move to a company that now may be illegal in the US so the guy can't win ahaha.
Disney execs are not your friends. As evidenced by Staggs and Rasulo, Iger picks senior people who aren’t a threat to him. Then he kicks them to the curb when he’s done with them.
 
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Lilofan

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Disney execs are not your friends. As evidenced by Staggs and Rasulo, Iger picks senior people who aren’t a threat to him. Then he kicks them to the curb when he’s done with them.
If one thinks your peer is your friend regardless of level in the company, not just bosses, then there is bridge for sale.
 
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