On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[JoeCamel]

The economy's fine.

Wait til the eviction moratorium comes off

 

[celluloid]

Disney does not need to layoff the same percentage of regular employees because they had the college program. In any case Orlando is in for a hard time because of all the layoffs coming not only from Disney, Universal and Seaworld but all the other hotels, restaurants and attractions.

And until the CP can return, it should be noted that the attractions and venues will be this limited offering version that is currently operating.

 

[JoeCamel]

Disney does not need to layoff the same percentage of regular employees because they had the college program. In any case Orlando is in for a hard time because of all the layoffs coming not only from Disney, Universal and Seaworld but all the other hotels, restaurants and attractions.

There will come a time in the not too distant future where Disney will be crying for warm bodies and there won't be enough to go around once things come back. It will be a long tough road for the central Florida area along with the rest of the state.
I cannot imagine how all the governments will meet their ongoing obligations without the tax revenue and I expect property taxes to be raised significantly.

 

[Lilofan]

There will come a time in the not too distant future where Disney will be crying for warm bodies and there won't be enough to go around once things come back. It will be a long tough road for the central Florida area along with the rest of the state.
I cannot imagine how all the governments will meet their ongoing obligations without the tax revenue and I expect property taxes to be raised significantly.

Also without much tax revenue coming in, expect county social services for example to be restructured, streamlined, eliminated and or expect long wait times for customers.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Wait til the eviction moratorium comes off

That’s when it will get ugly.

 

[Lilofan]

Disney does not need to layoff the same percentage of regular employees because they had the college program. In any case Orlando is in for a hard time because of all the layoffs coming not only from Disney, Universal and Seaworld but all the other hotels, restaurants and attractions.

There are still a number of cast members still on furlough due to a number of resorts are still closed, including water parks to name some. They are surviving collecting unemployment.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Wait til the eviction moratorium comes off

I'm sure folks will still say everything's fine. Yep, they sure as heck will.

 

[Getachew]

So UO just posted a WARN to Florida of 5400 furloughed, is that TMs that were all ready furloughed? Plus the 1900 they laid off 2-3 weeks ago they must be at 20-30% of their work force gone.

They've had lay offs twice already.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And I feel extremely sorry for every family in the Orlando area suffering due to Covid19 and the improper handling of it by New York. Remember it was New York that exported it to New Jersey, Connecticut and Florida. Now because of Governor Cuomo's hatred of Florida, he is trying to destroy Florida's tourism. Florida now has a positive testing rate well under 5% positive, less than half the 10% allowed but because of the large number of testing, the state is still above the 10 per 100,000 number. That second number is crazy because it is not based on anything other that the large number of tests Florida is conducting. Then add to the fact that both Connecticut and New Jersey are run by Governors who are weak and give into demands made by New York. Florida should be open to all tourism from the north with no quarantines upon return based on the current testing results of less than 5% positive.

Floridians traveling to Italy, NYC, and Asia brought in COVID to FL as much as any "outsiders" and "foreigners."

The quarantine that FL put on NY (and weirdly, not on other hot spots of the country or world) is the same one the tri-state governors (not just Cuomo) has on FL. The only difference is that the tri-state governers have a publicly announced metric of what states need to do to be off the list. And the tri-state governers apply the metric equally to all states instead of a few states based on hysteria and the odd choice of quarantining some states but not others that have become pretty bad.

There are some 30 states currently on the list, and so, FL isn't being targeted. To get off the list, like some states already have, FL just needs to meet their own goals that they were heading for, but are now stalled in a plateau in which any diminishment is just incrementally tiny.

BTW, California is on that tri-state quarantine list, as were Delaware and Maryland.

IOW, the way you framed this is not based in reality at all.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Floridians traveling to Italy, NYC, and Asia brought in COVID to FL as much as any "outsiders" and "foreigners."

The quarantine that FL put on NY (and weirdly, not on other hot spots of the country or world) is the same one the tri-state governors (not just Cuomo) has on FL. The only difference is that the tri-state governers have a publicly announced metric of what states need to do to be off the list. And the tri-state governers apply the metric equally to all states instead of a few states based on hysteria and the odd choice of quarantining some states but not others that have become pretty bad.

There are some 30 states currently on the list, and so, FL isn't being targeted. To get off the list, like some states already have, FL just needs to meet their own goals that they were heading for, but are now stalled in a plateau in which any diminishment is just incrementally tiny.

BTW, California is on that tri-state quarantine list, as were Delaware and Maryland.

IOW, the way you framed this is not based in reality at all.

Massachusetts has an on-going list of "lower-risk states" that is updated regularly. Last update was on Sept. 11th, and only includes

• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Maine
• New Hampshire
• New Jersey
• New Mexico
• New York
• Oregon
• Vermont
• Washington
• and Wyoming

Anyone coming from ANY OTHER STATE who does not meet certain criteria must fill out an online form and quarantine for 14 days (or have a negative test within 72 hours of arrival). https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order#lower-risk-states-

It's a sad state of affairs when a pandemic gets to a point that they switch to listing lower-risk states because it's a shorter list than the high-risk states.

 

[mwf5555]

Massachusetts has an on-going list of "lower-risk states" that is updated regularly. Last update was on Sept. 11th, and only includes

• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Maine
• New Hampshire
• New Jersey
• New Mexico
• New York
• Oregon
• Vermont
• Washington
• and Wyoming

Anyone coming from ANY OTHER STATE who does not meet certain criteria must fill out an online form and quarantine for 14 days (or have a negative test within 72 hours of arrival). https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order#lower-risk-states-

It's a sad state of affairs when a pandemic gets to a point that they switch to listing lower-risk states because it's a shorter list than the high-risk states.

Unless it is for political or entertainment purposes.......they get a hard pass

 

[mwf5555]

Just heard today that a former coworker of my GF (12 years at WDW in the parks) was let go. Sad Sad

Ugggh.... i have 35, too young to retire, too old to be hired elsewhere

 

[mwf5555]

Just heard today that a former coworker of my GF (12 years at WDW in the parks) was let go. Sad Sad

where they given a severance package or just let go?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Massachusetts has an on-going list of "lower-risk states" that is updated regularly. Last update was on Sept. 11th, and only includes

• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Maine
• New Hampshire
• New Jersey
• New Mexico
• New York
• Oregon
• Vermont
• Washington
• and Wyoming

Anyone coming from ANY OTHER STATE who does not meet certain criteria must fill out an online form and quarantine for 14 days (or have a negative test within 72 hours of arrival). https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-travel-order#lower-risk-states-

It's a sad state of affairs when a pandemic gets to a point that they switch to listing lower-risk states because it's a shorter list than the high-risk states.

I believe the qualifiers to be on a "low-risk state" from Massachusetts are a few rolling 7 day averages. I believe it was under 8 cases per 100K residents and a positive rate of 5% or less on all testing. The positive rate is close for Florida, but the cases per 100K is not.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yeah, I would say the closest equivalent to what _caleb is discussing as a hypothetical is the Busch Entertainment Corporation, specifically from 2000 up until its sale to private equity after the hostile takeover of Anheuser-Busch.

Herschend (owners of silver dollar city and operators of Dollywood) would be a great modern day equivalent.

Busch Gardens when Busch was still the owner was one of the best theme parks on the planet. Gorgeous landscaping, on theme entertainment, steam trains, one of the best non-ip dark rides ever built (Darkastle), and lots of great rides like escape from Pompeii, big bad wolf, Apollo’s chariot, Alpengeist. Goodness I wish I could visit again now!

 

[Jrb1979]

Herschend (owners of silver dollar city and operators of Dollywood) would be a great modern day equivalent.

Busch Gardens when Busch was still the owner was one of the best theme parks on the planet. Gorgeous landscaping, on theme entertainment, steam trains, one of the best non-ip dark rides ever built (Darkastle), and lots of great rides like escape from Pompeii, big bad wolf, Apollo’s chariot, Alpengeist. Goodness I wish I could visit again now!

From everything I have heard it still is a great park. The new coaster coming looks amazing. IP or well themed area aren't what make a park great. Its more the rides and attractions that IMO. I would take just about all the rides Cedar Point has over any Disney one. Give me a 300 ft tall coaster over any slow moving dark ride any day.

 

[peter11435]

From everything I have heard it still is a great park. The new coaster coming looks amazing. IP or well themed area aren't what make a park great. Its more the rides and attractions that IMO. I would take just about all the rides Cedar Point has over any Disney one. Give me a 300 ft tall coaster over any slow moving dark ride any day.

The difference between an amusement park and a theme park.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Herschend (owners of silver dollar city and operators of Dollywood) would be a great modern day equivalent.

Busch Gardens when Busch was still the owner was one of the best theme parks on the planet. Gorgeous landscaping, on theme entertainment, steam trains, one of the best non-ip dark rides ever built (Darkastle), and lots of great rides like escape from Pompeii, big bad wolf, Apollo’s chariot, Alpengeist. Goodness I wish I could visit again now!

You can go...just don’t expect good conduct of the customers

From everything I have heard it still is a great park. The new coaster coming looks amazing. IP or well themed area aren't what make a park great. Its more the rides and attractions that IMO. I would take just about all the rides Cedar Point has over any Disney one. Give me a 300 ft tall coaster over any slow moving dark ride any day.

A couple runs on those monstrosities these days and I’m “good” for the day

 

[marni1971]

The difference between an amusement park and a theme park.

This. We loved Disneyland last year. We loved Magic Mountain.

You can enjoy champagne and also fruit juice.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Herschend (owners of silver dollar city and operators of Dollywood) would be a great modern day equivalent.

Busch Gardens when Busch was still the owner was one of the best theme parks on the planet. Gorgeous landscaping, on theme entertainment, steam trains, one of the best non-ip dark rides ever built (Darkastle), and lots of great rides like escape from Pompeii, big bad wolf, Apollo’s chariot, Alpengeist. Goodness I wish I could visit again now!

Just wondering, since I probably haven't visited since the early 90s (and I agree very much so with your assessment), how has it changed since? I remember the theming, if not quite at Disney-level, still being very immersive and well-done.