On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Unbanshee]

Didn’t Shanghai’s resume a couple months after opening and Tokyo’s are resuming. I see no reason why WDW can’t resume fireworks when it starts getting dark earlier.

"While many Disney fans might wonder if this move will tip off Disney’s hand when it comes to Disney World, it’s worth noting that Japan’s COVID-19 environment is different than the situation in the United States.

Yesterday, Japan recorded 601 new COVID-19 cases whereas the United States recorded 36,939 cases. Florida alone recorded more than 4 times as many cases as the entire country of Japan, tallying 2,593 cases versus the 601 in Japan. Disney has maintained that they will need to consider the COVID-19 environment in local markets when deciding how they will proceed with a phased reopening at each of their resorts. At this time, all fireworks, nightly spectaculars, and parades remain suspended at Disney World."

Tokyo Disneyland to Resume Nighttime Fireworks and Mini-Parade Beginning September 1st

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[Lilofan]

Sophistry. You obviously didn't experience the drive down I4 in 2008/9 where most of the hotels were either closed or for sale between the turnpike and Disney.

For some who think the downturn of the economy currently is similar to the 2008/09 time is really living some sort of fantasy in the sky.

 

[Miss Bella]

For some who think the downturn of the economy currently is similar to the 2008/09 time is really living some sort of fantasy in the sky.

Similar no. Both bad for different reasons. Is it wrong to think we'll recover from this as we have in the past or should we all just give up?

 

[Miss Bella]

"While many Disney fans might wonder if this move will tip off Disney’s hand when it comes to Disney World, it’s worth noting that Japan’s COVID-19 environment is different than the situation in the United States.

Yesterday, Japan recorded 601 new COVID-19 cases whereas the United States recorded 36,939 cases. Florida alone recorded more than 4 times as many cases as the entire country of Japan, tallying 2,593 cases versus the 601 in Japan. Disney has maintained that they will need to consider the COVID-19 environment in local markets when deciding how they will proceed with a phased reopening at each of their resorts. At this time, all fireworks, nightly spectaculars, and parades remain suspended at Disney World."

Tokyo Disneyland to Resume Nighttime Fireworks and Mini-Parade Beginning September 1st

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I don't think anyone said they were going to start tomorrow.

 

[Unbanshee]

I don't think anyone said they were going to start tomorrow.

No, but they also likely won't hit the milestones that the asian parks did, even +/- a month

 

[Miss Bella]

No, but they also likely won't hit the milestones that the asian parks did, even +/- a month

Milestones as far as attendance?

 

[Unbanshee]

Milestones as far as attendance?

Sorry, milestones as in starting up fireworks just a few months after opening. It might be 6+ months in the states whereas it was 3 months in asia. I don't think their timelines apply here because we're so much worse off in the US

 

[Getachew]

They did not furlough full timers during the shut down. There are full timers furloughed now.
And yes, most are. Front of the line are the masses and those have not had layoffs.

So if full timers (some) are furloughed now...and many part timers still are, is that really 85%?

 

[Getachew]

The back of house blood letting has started.. front of house is on edge like you wouldn't believe.
Any day now.. HR is still processing stuff from the first two go arounds.

Universal?

 

[Getachew]

All I said were things are not dire in my state. I can’t speak for every state in the union. Don’t take things out of context.

Florida is dependent on tourism. People like you have been rooting on these travel bans and shutdowns and now you feel sorry for the people being laid off. You can’t have it both ways.

It's the failure of certain leadership in power as to why this thing got out of control in the first place. But you already knew that.

 

[Miss Bella]

It's the failure of certain leadership in power as to why this thing got out of control in the first place. But you already knew that.

No, I didn't know that nor do I necessarily agree with that, but I would take those kind of comments to the COVID political thread, and then you can say whatever you want.

 

[legwand77]

Sorry, milestones as in starting up fireworks just a few months after opening. It might be 6+ months in the states whereas it was 3 months in asia. I don't think their timelines apply here because we're so much worse off in the US

Japan had 2000 positive tests on August 1st, and now 601. Florida had 9000 positive test on Aug 1 and just posted <2000 positive test today, They easily could hit 600 in a month, at the rate it is going down they could hit it in two weeks.

 

[Miss Bella]

Sorry, milestones as in starting up fireworks just a few months after opening. It might be 6+ months in the states whereas it was 3 months in asia. I don't think their timelines apply here because we're so much worse off in the US

Florida doesn't have the same milestones as China. That's obvious.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All over for Orlando, hotels are laying off meeting and banquet staff. Many of those are very highend, career positions that pay significantly better then working in the parks for either Disney or Universal.

At Universal, the entire reason Royal Pacific and Sapphire Falls even exist is to serve convention and meeting business. The same can be said for the Hyatt’s, Hilton’s and Marriotts around town which include some of the largest meeting spaces in the country outside of Vegas. From first hand knowledge, many of these recent hotel layoffs are directly related to the complete evaporation of business travel. Leisure tourism is very much a secondary market for those properties.

At the moment, the buzz in the meeting industry is that we are starting to write off spring as well. When Covid hit in March, many of the Fortune 500 list put formal travel restrictions in place immediately through at least the summer. That was quickly extended through the end of the year. In the last few weeks, I’ve begun hearing and seeing ‘no earlier then April’ from some big names, and that’s if everything goes perfectly this winter. Conventions and meetings are typically planned 6-18 months in advance, so filling the calendar again is going to be a very slow process.

Very important points. Most casual fans...of Disney...really have no idea of how Orlando is constructed. The problems extend well beyond the low caps at MGM...

But we usually don’t get far past tantrums about reservation slots for annual passes staying untracked in hotels off Disney’s grid

Obviously you haven’t been reading some of the posters here saying capacity, fireworks and even mask mandates are going away very soon. Don’t listen to the actual reports and buzz in the industry, you need to start listening to the keyboard warriors here!

The one who inject lidocaine into their walnuts?

...and right on queue:

You do realize capacity limits for the parks have been increased over the past week.

And yet the town is prepping for severe travel depression...you better let them know those caps will go up to 1/3 normal attendance soon

Government mandates (e.g., masks, social distancing, restaurant capacity) are separate things than what the corporate world decides are justifiable expenses in a world of Zoom and Webex meetings or fluctuating business needs. Don’t be silly.

The notion that any business’s lawyers are going to go along with standards LESS strict than recommended health guidelines or legal CYA is on the level of a belief in magic beans.

Especially Disney.

But to be fair...I may be missing your gist here?

Hey now, a fellow Georgian here. We have nut jobs like the rest of the country, but near the metro, its a much different story then the rural areas off the highways.

I’ve watched 99% or above compliance since May...all day, everyday...every place.

Where y’all at?

That does matter in this scenario.

Hours are being cut.. we are already into the spring of next year before some hotels are even planing on opening, if they do.. numerous insiders along with cm’s that have heard things say nighttime fireworks won’t be happening until next year sometime.. conventions and business meetings still being cancelled for the rest of the year in Orlando.. parks not even hitting capacity on most days except for on occasion the weekend. You can say what you like but if you just open your eyes and see what’s going on.. also listen to people more in the know then us here.. it’s very plain to see. Nothing wrong with having rose colored glasses on, that I’ll give you but it’s also bad to assume things. Just take a look around.
And this is all being done without knowledge of whether a “second wave” will hit. Could actually get worse .

You’re never gonna penetrate those shields.

There’s always at least one. The rest have fallen silent or “fake quit” the threads.

and yet Georgia, even with the "eyeroll" positive test and hospitalization, in schools without masks photos, etc. like Florida are on the same declining trend for the past month

It’s called:

“Turd immunity”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Japan had 2000 positive tests on August 1st, and now 601. Florida had 9000 positive test on Aug 1 and just posted <2000 positive test today, They easily could hit 600 in a month, at the rate it is going down they could hit it in two weeks.

And it would be nice if they don’t Muck it up...but I don’t doubt the capability

 

[UNCgolf]

That was my experience in Georgia a couple of weeks ago, southern they don't know what a mask is, northern much better compliance but the small towns really don't wear one unless you approach with one on then they might put one on.

In the Atlanta area it's rare to see people without masks. At the Publix near me I'd guess compliance is at least 95% if not higher. There are also a lot of businesses here that won't allow people inside without a mask.

I think it's really the same as everywhere in the country -- it's less of a northern/southern divide and more of an urban/rural divide. Despite living in North Carolina and Georgia my whole life, the most openly, blatantly racist place I've ever been is upstate New York. It was actually shocking. I think the divide between NYC and the rest of the state may be just as big as the divide between Atlanta and the rest of Georgia.

 

[Getachew]

No, I didn't know that nor do I necessarily agree with that, but I would take those kind of comments to the COVID political thread, and then you can say whatever you want.

I know you don't agree with it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In the Atlanta area it's rare to see people without masks. At the Publix near me I'd guess compliance is at least 95% if not higher. There are also a lot of businesses here that won't allow people inside without a mask.

I think it's really the same as everywhere in the country -- it's less of a northern/southern divide and more of an urban/rural divide. Despite living in North Carolina and Georgia my whole life, the most openly, blatantly racist place I've ever been is upstate New York. It was actually shocking. I think the divide between NYC and the rest of the state may be just as big as the divide between Atlanta and the rest of Georgia.

I fully believe you about the city situation...the problem is the potential cross contamination as you move out of the urban zones into contact with the less compliant areas...cause for concern everywhere.

As far as the racism goes...I gotcha there too...there are wild pockets of exposed racism raging in “blue” states as well as those that typically carry the stereotype Mantel. That is true.

The problem is there are different “types” and they present or don’t present in different ways.

I’ve lived in rust belt, south, metro and surburia in all 3...it’s a thing.

But that’s we’re I leave this one. No discussion...just acknowledgment. I don’t want to be banned to the time out threads

 

[Parker in NYC]

That does matter in this scenario.
You’re never gonna penetrate those shields.

There’s always at least one. The rest have fallen silent or “fake quit” the threads.

Or banned!

 

[Lilofan]

Governor DeSantis of FL has extended the eviction ban again. It has now been extended to Oct 1. This will surely assist the many impacted that cannot meet their monthly rent or mortgage payments.