Official D23 Thread

[EpcotServo]

Bullschlockey. Kathy Magnum never inferred or disrespected Living Seas. She said it was "getting tired". Which it was. Shuttered main ride through with forced bypass through painted rehab walls. Grainy film and dilapted queue and slacking attendance. Living Seas WAS on the fast track to a Horizons style demolition what with the high costs of maintaining a barely visted aquarium, who's major show illusion had been long tarnished and let die.

From one who really hates the new outside paintjob, lack of hydrolators, and awful treatment in the former Seabase, even I can plainly see she was in no way condeming the old show, and without these changes Living Seas would've been demolished, which is far worse than what it is today.

I complain about The Seas alot, but most of the common character based complaints about it are simply not worth a penny.

 

[HMF]

Current classic? Sounds like a oxymoron. They could have kept it current, used Nemo, even and still taught or inspired something.

Is it so hard to just call it The Seas without the Nemo & Friends part? you reach a broader demographic that way. No one over a certain age will flock to something called The Seas with Nemo & Friends.

 

[HMF]

without these changes Living Seas would've been demolished, which is far worse than what it is today.
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Personally' I would prefer that.

 

[_Scar]

Future World should be called Modern World.

 

[EpcotServo]

No one over a certain age will flock to something called The Seas with Nemo & Friends.

I don't know if I should laugh or kill myself at that remark.

Seriously, as a seasoned Seas complainer, this line of thought is purely rank Amateur.

 

[jakeman]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Here we go.:lookaroun

I find that adhering to a park's dedication plaque and aims rational thought. They have broken with that.

Current classic? Sounds like a oxymoron. They could have kept it current, used Nemo, even and still taught or inspired something. Anything. Now, it barely does that. Barely.

You are choosing not to see that. Look past the dark ride into the pavilion to the exhibits. Even Turtle Talk is prepared to present information if asked.

I base what EPCOT should be off what it was, and what they said it would be. They never said it would be this.:shrug::wave:

Be what? A popular pavilion that engages most of it's visitors? The pavilion does everything that plaque says it should, it's just not what you had envisioned, so it is wrong.

EPCOT isn't a object. It's a place. A place has a soul.

No, people have souls. Places are just a collection of objects in a particular location.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Bullschlockey. Kathy Magnum never inferred or disrespected Living Seas. She said it was "getting tired". Which it was. Shuttered main ride through with forced bypass through painted rehab walls. Grainy film and dilapted queue and slacking attendance. Living Seas WAS on the fast track to a Horizons style demolition what with the high costs of maintaining a barely visted aquarium, who's major show illusion had been long tarnished and let die.

From one who really hates the new outside paintjob, lack of hydrolators, and awful treatment in the former Seabase, even I can plainly see she was in no way condeming the old show, and without these changes Living Seas would've been demolished, which is far worse than what it is today.

I complain about The Seas alot, but most of the common character based complaints about it are simply not worth a penny.

Alllllll because they let it. Why not update it? Why not make it look modern?


No, lets leave the SeaBase intact and shove Nemo on top of it.:shrug:

Personally' I would prefer that.

Wow....Extreme!:lol:


At least the Sea is still in FW. Don't know if it's futuristic, though.

Future World should be called Modern World.

:dazzle:

 

[EpcotServo]

Alllllll because they let it. Why not update it? Why not make it look modern?


No, lets leave the SeaBase intact and shove Nemo on top of it.:shrug:


At least the Sea is still in FW. Don't know if it's futuristic, though.

Who "Let it"? Not Imagineering. They don't have any say for what gets done and what doesn't. I'm sure there was a hundred proposals for The Seas, the people upstairs make the decisions on what gets updates and what gets to rot.

Like I said, I've spent hours fuming on Seabase, but this spiteful attitude towards WDI is completely misplaced.


File this thread under my Kyonism.

"I completely agree, however coming from you it really ticks me off for some reason."
-Kyon

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

You are choosing not to see that. Look past the dark ride into the pavilion to the exhibits. Even Turtle Talk is prepared to present information if asked.

Be what? A popular pavilion that engages most of it's visitors? The pavilion does everything that plaque says it should, it's just not what you had envisioned, so it is wrong.

No, people have souls. Places are just a collection of objects in a particular location.

I see plaques. :shrug: That's it. Turtle Talk almost never is asked.:shrug:
Not saying that education should be shoved down their throats....But....My main gripe here is FUTURISM. Where is it? It's FUTURE WORLD, after all.
Even if they had Nemo, and it was still futuristic, I would shut up. I just don't see the correlation between the current pavilion and the land it is in.

Yes. It entertains. It has that part VERY right. But, where is Inform in a broader sense?(don't say plaques...) Where is Inspire?
I don't see it.

No, a place has a soul.:wave: The Capitol has a soul. Ground Zero has a soul. A football stadium for a beloved team has a soul. Your own house has a soul.
A soul is a feeling YOU get when you walk in there. It's what YOU connotate with that place. It's what YOU like about that place. It's that place's aims or purposes.


EPCOT Center or Epcot has a soul.

 

[HMF]

Wow....Extreme!:lol:

Think about it. they could have put something better there. Also EE I could not have put your description of Epcot's "Soul" better. BRAVO!

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Who "Let it"? Not Imagineering. They don't have any say for what gets done and what doesn't. I'm sure there was a hundred proposals for The Seas, the people upstairs make the decisions on what gets updates and what gets to rot.

Like I said, I've spent hours fuming on Seabase, but this spiteful attitude towards WDI is completely misplaced.

File this thread under my Kyonism.

"I completely agree, however coming from you it really ticks me off for some reason."
-Kyon

Gee, thanks!:lol:

No, not WDI. I'm sure that if TDO/Burbank/Whatever told them to "build a newer modern Living Seas", they would have sprung to the challenge. You certainly did a few weeks ago.:wave:


My "spite" isn't at WDI...It is at whom ever let TLS fall into a state of needing a drastic change.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Think about it. they could have put something better there.

What, I wonder? :lol:

 

[jakeman]

I see plaques. :shrug: That's it. Turtle Talk almost never is asked.:shrug:

Why blame Disney for that?

Not saying that education should be shoved down their throats....But....My main gripe here is FUTURISM. Where is it? It's FUTURE WORLD, after all.

Even if they had Nemo, and it was still futuristic, I would shut up. I just don't see the correlation between the current pavilion and the land it is in.

What about inspiring future generations?

Yes. It entertains. It has that part VERY right. But, where is Inform in a broader sense?(don't say plaques...) Where is Inspire?
I don't see it.

It's because you don't choose to. That's really all it is. There are interactive exhibits, presentations. The only thing that is missing is the very very old video and the Sea Cabs that had been gone so long I'm sure people didn't even know they were there anymore.

Admitting that the Seas is doing what it is supposed do does not fit with your perceived reality of the past, present, or future.

No, a place has a soul.:wave: The Capitol has a soul. Ground Zero has a soul. A football stadium for a beloved team has a soul. Your own house has a soul.
A soul is a feeling YOU get when you walk in there. It's what YOU connotate with that place. It's what YOU like about that place. It's that place's aims or purposes.

That's your opinion. I hesitate to assign emotional value to inanimate objects. Especially a place that exist only to take my money.

 

[EpcotServo]

No, not WDI. I'm sure that if TDO/Burbank/Whatever told them to "build a newer modern Living Seas", they would have sprung to the challenge. You certainly did a few weeks ago.:wave:

Yes, but not many people notice the glaring problem with my attraction treatment. Neat? Yes. But like Alien Encounter, it's fault isn't in it's spirit, but in it's outlook towards the audience. My Living Seas appealed to a few demographics, not all of them. Finding Nemo, and the attraction and treatment, appeal to everyone thanks to it's personal nature outlook in relation to The Seas, which the bright and cheery modern nautical motif did in the 80's. However now faith in the future isn't so certain, and we live every day surrounded by friendly technology, and Escapism into a more friendly outlook on the Seas appeals to everyone.

(Plus if mine had been made, it would be panned just like The Seas is now, because I portray the Future as being very small and dim in a grim hopeless dark corporate future, as a metaphor for the very small base of humans pitted against the merciless darkness of the Deep Sea.

Compared to the bright cheery coral reefs, family friendly 80's future, you guys would have HATED it. :lol: )

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Why blame Disney for that?
What about inspiring future generations?

It's because you don't choose to. That's really all it is. There are interactive exhibits, presentations. The only thing that is missing is the very very old video and the Sea Cabs that had been gone so long I'm sure people didn't even know they were there anymore.

Admitting that the Seas is doing what it is supposed do does not fit with your perceived reality of the past, present, or future.

That's your opinion. I hesitate to assign emotional value to inanimate objects. Especially a place that exist only to take my money.

I don't blame Disney for that...But inspiring future generations? How? I see none of that.

In the same "vein" of choosing things, you don't choose to see how the OLD pavilion worked. This is a two way street, Jake.

I admitted that it entertained...It's still missing the Inspirational part, and the Informing. And when I say Inform, I am looking for something more than the plaques and what TT COULD do. If you think like that, there is a whole host of things that can be considered entertainment, that really isn't. At the most, it's back up, or plussing....At least to me, it is. It should ACTIVELY do that, not require you to go read a plaque.:lol: Same for inspire.

Yeah, it's there to take your money. It takes you money. I see that. But, I also see a place that is rich in ideas, stories, life, and something of deeper meaning and experience. It's a business, yes, but it creates (or created) the aura of not being one.

And now I feel we are too deep into my thought process, so would you, umm, budge up a bit, Jake....Make room for Servo.:lol::lookaroun

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Yes, but not many people notice the glaring problem with my attraction treatment. Neat? Yes. But like Alien Encounter, it's fault isn't in it's spirit, but in it's outlook towards the audience. My Living Seas appealed to a few demographics, not all of them. Finding Nemo, and the attraction and treatment, appeal to everyone thanks to it's personal nature outlook in relation to The Seas, which the bright and cheery modern nautical motif did in the 80's. However now faith in the future isn't so certain, and we live every day surrounded by friendly technology, and Escapism into a more friendly outlook on the Seas appeals to everyone.

(Plus if mine had been made, it would be panned just like The Seas is now, because I portray the Future as being very small and dim in a grim hopeless dark corporate future, as a metaphor for the very small base of humans pitted against the merciless darkness of the Deep Sea.

Compared to the bright cheery coral reefs, family friendly 80's future, you guys would have HATED it. :lol: )

It doesn't appeal to me....And the thing has a outlook?:lookaroun:lol:


For the record...I would have loved your Seabase Delta.:lol:

 

[EpcotServo]

And now I feel we are too deep into my thought process, so would you, umm, budge up a bit, Jake....Make room for Servo.:lol::lookaroun

I fight for WDI's right to party!
:lol:

It doesn't appeal to me....And the thing has a outlook?


For the record...I would have loved your Seabase Delta.

Finding Nemo is a story that appeals to me very much. Maybe Pixar hasn't been as involved in your life as much as it has in mine, but every Pixar film has a very deep connection with me somewhere in my soul, and even at the ride's worst, it captures a sense of trepidation or excitement setting out in a big world (Hence, in the Big Blue World) and the story of Nemo & Marlin captures that story. Which, could be argued, is a story that does belong in Epcot.

And you only love it because you can't have it.
:lol:

If this alternate reality, I'd be known as Epcot "Screen Lover" Servo, who's attractions are riddled with video screens and confusing and dark stories that have no place in EPCOT.

"There's no hope at all! It's like dark depressing future land! I want Horizons not Hunt for Red October!" :fork:

What's with the Japanese motif in the queue? This isn't World Showcase, it's future world. :lol:

 

[HMF]

Yes, but not many people notice the glaring problem with my attraction treatment. Neat? Yes. But like Alien Encounter, it's fault isn't in it's spirit, but in it's outlook towards the audience. My Living Seas appealed to a few demographics, not all of them. Finding Nemo, and the attraction and treatment, appeal to everyone thanks to it's personal nature outlook in relation to The Seas, which the bright and cheery modern nautical motif did in the 80's. However now faith in the future isn't so certain, and we live every day surrounded by friendly technology, and Escapism into a more friendly outlook on the Seas appeals to everyone.

(Plus if mine had been made, it would be panned just like The Seas is now, because I portray the Future as being very small and dim in a grim hopeless dark corporate future, as a metaphor for the very small base of humans pitted against the merciless darkness of the Deep Sea.

That's a problem with society and unfortunately Epcot seems to reflect society.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I fight for WDI's right to party!
:lol:

I give them every right!:lol:


Just party RIGHT.

 

[SirGoofy]

That's a problem with society and unfortunately Epcot seems to reflect society.

Why? Because society wants to have fun at a theme park?

Damn them! Damn them to hell!

:lol: