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LastoneOn

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Pretty much had to write that didn't he. By the way, several of the threads were moved to politics forum and even at 145 messages i'm not allowed to post there. As Sun Tzu wrote "in death ground, fight" Might as well go down fighting.
 

el_super

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Why doesn’t Orange County just do the work?

As much as it is Orange County's responsibility to care for their citizens, I'm also surprised that Disneyland hasn't seen the writing on the wall and come in to assist with community outreach programs. Disneyland had the programs (Disney VoluntEars) and government relations contacts to facilitate programs providing community assistance with COVID containment. Assistance such as mask distribution, test facilitation and even just information campaigns (door to door or via phone) to ensure that Spanish speaking communities in Anaheim and Santa Ana were provided life saving support.

It would have kept some CMs employed and busy and looked much better in the community than whining that they should be allowed to open in a pandemic. I have such a hard time understanding why they wasted years and years of positive community influence here. Looks even worse now that they are spending so much money to influence the Anaheim City Council races. Pretty sad.
 

GimpYancIent

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Pretty much had to write that didn't he. By the way, several of the threads were moved to politics forum and even at 145 messages i'm not allowed to post there. As Sun Tzu wrote "in death ground, fight" Might as well go down fighting.
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LastoneOn

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Why doesn’t Orange County just do the work?
Because its an independent charted government unit with various authority and powers and elected officials and wishes to retain its rights of governance and ability to shape its county based on its residents desires, instead of being discriminated against because they disagree with the governor who is relying on "emergency powers" to force his political ideology onto the state citizens without their vote for such things?

Here's a glimpse of what happens to people who won't or can't just "do the work"
Mao, A Great Leap Forward, 45 million killed
Hitler, 70-85 million
Stalin, 20 - 60 million
Pol Pot in Cambodia 1.7 million
North Korea 3 million
Ethiopia 2 million

So go along or die??

I'm probably wrong. No worries.
 

lazyboy97o

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Because its an independent charted government unit with various authority and powers and elected officials and wishes to retain its rights of governance and ability to shape its county based on its residents desires, instead of being discriminated against because they disagree with the governor who is relying on "emergency powers" to force his political ideology onto the state citizens without their vote for such things?

Here's a glimpse of what happens to people who won't or can't just "do the work"
Mao, A Great Leap Forward, 45 million killed
Hitler, 70-85 million
Stalin, 20 - 60 million
Pol Pot in Cambodia 1.7 million
North Korea 3 million
Ethiopia 2 million

So go along or die??

I'm probably wrong. No worries.
And which of these persons was such a proponent of privacy that anonymity in public was mandated?
 

October82

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Because its an independent charted government unit with various authority and powers and elected officials and wishes to retain its rights of governance and ability to shape its county based on its residents desires, instead of being discriminated against because they disagree with the governor who is relying on "emergency powers" to force his political ideology onto the state citizens without their vote for such things?

Here's a glimpse of what happens to people who won't or can't just "do the work"
Mao, A Great Leap Forward, 45 million killed
Hitler, 70-85 million
Stalin, 20 - 60 million
Pol Pot in Cambodia 1.7 million
North Korea 3 million
Ethiopia 2 million

So go along or die??

I'm probably wrong. No worries.

When you find yourself bringing up Mao, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot in a thread about Disneyland being closed, you might, and I stress, might, want to reassess your perspective.
 

TP2000

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As much as it is Orange County's responsibility to care for their citizens, I'm also surprised that Disneyland hasn't seen the writing on the wall and come in to assist with community outreach programs. Disneyland had the programs (Disney VoluntEars) and government relations contacts to facilitate programs providing community assistance with COVID containment. Assistance such as mask distribution, test facilitation and even just information campaigns (door to door or via phone) to ensure that Spanish speaking communities in Anaheim and Santa Ana were provided life saving support.

It would have kept some CMs employed and busy and looked much better in the community than whining that they should be allowed to open in a pandemic. I have such a hard time understanding why they wasted years and years of positive community influence here. Looks even worse now that they are spending so much money to influence the Anaheim City Council races. Pretty sad.

You want a theme park, Disneyland, to provide door to door canvassing offering "life saving support" to low-income people living within a 10 mile radius of that theme park?

How the heck did that become a theme park's job in society?

What's next, Target has to provide basic dental services to low-income people? McDonald's needs to offer guaranteed 30 year loans at 2.5% to help first time buyers with a new house? Chevron must start offering free mental health services to homeless guys hooked on meth? Ford needs to provide free basic internet (15 Mbps) for all low-income households?

Disneyland is a wonderful and extremely generous corporate citizen. It's decades of community support, big cardboard checks written to local charities, and endless volunteer efforts speak for itself.

But now Disneyland should be responsible for the health care and lifestyle choices of low-income people living within 10 miles of their property? I just don't know how or why that task got assigned to a theme park.
 
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Disney Irish

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You want a theme park, Disneyland, to provide door to door canvassing offering "life saving support" to low-income people living within a 10 mile radius of that theme park?

How the heck did that become a theme park's job in society?

What's next, Target has to provide basic dental services to low-income people? McDonald's needs to offer guaranteed 30 year loans at 2.5% to help first time buyers with a new house? Chevron must start offering free mental health services to homeless guys hooked on meth? Ford needs to provide free basic internet (15 Mbps) for all low-income households?

Disneyland is a wonderful and extremely generous corporate citizen. It's decades of community support, big cardboard checks written to local charities, and endless volunteer efforts speak for itself.

But now Disneyland should be responsible for the health care and lifestyle choices of low-income people living within 10 miles of their property? I just don't know how or why that task got assigned to a theme park.
During a pandemic shouldn't WE ALL including corporations be doing everything we can to combat the virus?

Whatever happen to "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country."?
 

el_super

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You want a theme park, Disneyland, to provide door to door canvassing offering "life saving support" to low-income people living within a 10 mile radius of that theme park?

How the heck did that become a theme park's job in society?

It's not Disneyland's responsibility, but it needs to happen before Disneyland reopens and the Orange County Board of Supervisors seems completely incapable of handling it.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

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You want a theme park, Disneyland, to provide door to door canvassing offering "life saving support" to low-income people living within a 10 mile radius of that theme park?

How the heck did that become a theme park's job in society?

What's next, Target has to provide basic dental services to low-income people? McDonald's needs to offer guaranteed 30 year loans at 2.5% to help first time buyers with a new house? Chevron must start offering free mental health services to homeless guys hooked on meth? Ford needs to provide free basic internet (15 Mbps) for all low-income households?

Disneyland is a wonderful and extremely generous corporate citizen. It's decades of community support, big cardboard checks written to local charities, and endless volunteer efforts speak for itself.

But now Disneyland should be responsible for the health care and lifestyle choices of low-income people living within 10 miles of their property? I just don't know how or why that task got assigned to a theme park.

I've got all these guys on Ignore...I can only imagine what in the heck you're responding to.
 

TP2000

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It's not Disneyland's responsibility, but it needs to happen before Disneyland reopens and the Orange County Board of Supervisors seems completely incapable of handling it.

That's something happening to every service industry in SoCal. It's not Disneyland's job to fix that for Sacramento.

Go look at LA County, which is officially more racist and more unhealthy than OC, and so is still in the Purple Tier. They can't have indoor dining or bars in LA. Restaurants are closing permanently all over LA County because of that. Winter is coming; it's going down into the 50's this weekend in LA. Brrr! Outdoor dining season is ending. Restaurants are going under, never coming back.

Paid Disneyland CM's canvassing door to door in poor neighborhoods in Santa Ana to tell them to wash their hands and not have 7 people live in a 2 bedroom apartment is not the responsibility of Disneyland. Or Panera Bread. Or Morton's Steakhouse. Or Target.

 

el_super

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That's something happening to every service industry in SoCal. It's not Disneyland's job to fix that for Sacramento.

That's a bit ... off. Obviously it isn't Disneyland's responsibility to provide community services or participate in local elections... but they do. They choose to be involved in their community (for better or worse) and they can choose to help fight COVID-19 and reduce infection rates in their community. They have clearly chosen not to, and that is a shame.

If infections continue and people keep insisting they will since the Yellow tier is so "impossible" to reach, then Disneyland will not open. Disneyland can at least work to get infections down (again choosing to be a positive force in the community) or do nothing and whine about being closed.
 

DanielBB8

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That's a bit ... off. Obviously it isn't Disneyland's responsibility to provide community services or participate in local elections... but they do. They choose to be involved in their community (for better or worse) and they can choose to help fight COVID-19 and reduce infection rates in their community. They have clearly chosen not to, and that is a shame.

If infections continue and people keep insisting they will since the Yellow tier is so "impossible" to reach, then Disneyland will not open. Disneyland can at least work to get infections down (again choosing to be a positive force in the community) or do nothing and whine about being closed.
That’s rich to demand service from a closed business. For an organization to do this while closed will have to reorganize as a non-profit and apply for grants from the government. Otherwise how will they do it? However, the government is already short on funds due to lower tax receipts. Governments across the country are at risk of deficits. They want a bailout from the Federal government who will fund bailouts from deficit spending. Maybe the best option is reopen the business while letting the pandemic sort itself out. The economy can’t continue while businesses are closed and everyone’s lives are ruined.
 

lazyboy97o

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That’s rich to demand service from a closed business. For an organization to do this while closed will have to reorganize as a non-profit and apply for grants from the government. Otherwise how will they do it? However, the government is already short on funds due to lower tax receipts. Governments across the country are at risk of deficits. They want a bailout from the Federal government who will fund bailouts from deficit spending. Maybe the best option is reopen the business while letting the pandemic sort itself out. The economy can’t continue while businesses are closed and everyone’s lives are ruined.
Do please cite the law or regulation that requires a company to organize as a non-profit in order to engage in civic activities. Is that what the companies that switched to making and donating equipment at their own expense did?
 

DanielBB8

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Do please cite the law or regulation that requires a company to organize as a non-profit in order to engage in civic activities. Is that what the companies that switched to making and donating equipment at their own expense did?
There no requirement. You didn’t get it.
If you want Disney to remain closed, there’s no income for them do the “civic activity”.
So you want them to donate what they would otherwise liquidate through bankruptcy. That’s it.
 

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