It just struck me, people were probably trying to stand up to hit those streams of water. Hence, the lap bars and effects shut off.
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NYT: "Universal....Takes Aim at Disney"
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It just struck me, people were probably trying to stand up to hit those streams of water. Hence, the lap bars and effects shut off.
bubbles1812
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one but I do respect the points you've made, especially about the use of practical effects in the dark ride versus a screen. And I can't fully judge as I have not experienced the Transformers ride as of yet. I do hope that the make the Transformers ride not be an exact replica of the one in Cali though. It'd be nice to see them give a little different flair to the Orlando one, if it is truly coming to Orlando. That is something I wished they would have done with The Little Mermaid ride coming here. They could have improved it (namely, that lame ending) but they haven't, or at least I haven't seen any indication that they are. Three 3-D attractions in the direct vicinity of one another does seem like a lot but again, I think that stories are just so different, very few people will notice the ride system's similar feel.
Skip
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You know way more than I'll ever be privy to, but I recall hearing that the initial MIB expansion (as amazing as it is) was scaled back after some budget concerns. The changes included the removal of the numerous planned alien animatronics in the main queue room (where now only the large green tentacled aliens dwell), more duplication of figures than originally planned, and the loss of what you're describing - the "B," in the form of an MIB Cafeteria restaurant. If there was more to it than that, I never heard about it... but I'm not exactly one to hear things.
ChrisFL
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You know way more than I'll ever be privy to, but I recall hearing that the initial MIB expansion (as amazing as it is) was scaled back after some budget concerns. The changes included the removal of the numerous planned alien animatronics in the main queue room (where now only the large green tentacled aliens dwell), more duplication of figures than originally planned, and the loss of what you're describing - the "B," in the form of an MIB Cafeteria restaurant. If there was more to it than that, I never heard about it... but I'm not exactly one to hear things.
I know the earliest "blue sky" planning for MIB was going to be a lot more elaborate...instead of the "Your Universe and You" pre-show area, instead you were going to be at the airport, ready to take the tram to the plane terminal, when instead you get re-routed to MIB headquarters. I can't remember which website had the full description though.
You're forgetting that when Star Tours and Body Wars opened, they also were just as unique, and had very specific ride-systems. Disney practically invented the simulator ride with Star Tours, whereas it could be argued Spiderman core ride-system is an evolution of Indiana Jone's technology.
In short, I completely disagree with your premise.
cheezbat
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I'm loving all the talk of stuff happening at universal...and very excited for the new stuff at DL...as for WDW, this has been one pretty depressing time.
I truly hope this huge Uni expansion bumps WDW attendance and profits down the toilet. Maybe, just maybe then well see some expansions.
I truly hope this huge Uni expansion bumps WDW attendance and profits down the toilet. Maybe, just maybe then well see some expansions.
Many Americans have come to see Disney as a necessary step in childhood and many repeat guests are hooked on the magic, so as long as those two groups are going strong, WDW won't see too much change.
I have kids in high school and many of their friends have taken trips to Orlando specifically for Pottter and they also make a stop at WDW with their families. Many of these kids come back liking Universal more than Disney. This is because Disney aims for kids under 13 these days, and banks on the hope that seeing the kids happy makes the parents happy. So, where do you think these impressed teens will take their kids...Universal, where they had a great experience when they were young? Or Disney, where they came away feeling like they didn't have a great time?
That's my concern. 10, 15,20 years from now, what will be the necessary family trip?
Cosmic Commando
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I don't know if this pitches or rolls, but it yaws.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=EM0AAgAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
I'm not forgetting anything. All ride systems, simulators included, are unique when first invented. That eventually changes. And it changed VERY quickly in the case of simulators. Every park has one, some have several. It's redundant, especially considering how basic the setup usually is (by today's standards.)
I'm not sure why we're comparing Spider-Man and Indy, but they aren't that similar. Several major differences. Indy is still a pretty unique ride system though, which brings us back to the topic of possible redundancy, and why we probably don't have it at WDW. Thank you, Dinosaur.
bubbles1812
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What you just said is how I see it too Jim. And also what I have observed. And I'd also argue there is a problem with keeping "repeat guests hooked on the magic" too. As we've seen from many people across this board, because of the way WDW has been treated, many are becoming less hooked...they are willing to take days away from Disney to give to other parks when they wouldn't have ever done that before, lessen the frequency of their trips, or even stop going altogether. Not to mention that Disney is becoming more and more out of many peoples price range. (Yes, I know Uni and Disney have the same one day prices but Uni doesn't require a full week to see everything or make a trip relatively cost effective the way Disney does) If the kids aren't brought there to make the memories to begin with...why would they keep coming back years down the road when they are grown?
That's my point. Star Tours and Body Wars, which both shared unique technology, were built a window even narrower than Spiderman and Transformers, thus I'm saying there's a precedent for this and it'd be fine to build Transformers in Orlando.
RSoxNo1
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There was another concept where instead of the waterfall being in front of you, you would go over sideways. Not sure if anyone recalls this concept?
cheezbat
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I was hooked on going to Disney as a kid. Living in Wisconsin growing up, we didn't really have anything remotely close to it, so taking trips every year or two and visiting WDW was magical. Then, in 1998, I took my first trip to Universal Studios...and I had a new favorite. Kongfrontarion, ET, Jaws, T-2 3-D, and Back to the Future took me to a whole new level of appreciation. I'll never forget it. When I moved down to central Florida in 2001, I knew right away the Universal was the place I wanted a pass to. I've had it ever since. While I still enjoy WDW, it's just not the same place it once was.
Universal had its rough years, but there has been so much positive change since Potter's arrival, and when I someday have kids, I think they'll more than likely growing up appreciating both resorts, but may have fonder memories at Universal.
Yep...I love Disney, but WDW is slowly becoming #2 in my book, thanks to Uni becoming so aggressive.
Universal had its rough years, but there has been so much positive change since Potter's arrival, and when I someday have kids, I think they'll more than likely growing up appreciating both resorts, but may have fonder memories at Universal.
Yep...I love Disney, but WDW is slowly becoming #2 in my book, thanks to Uni becoming so aggressive.
cheezbat
Well-Known Member
Potter 2.0, Kid Zone redo, SS44, the plot between MIB and the Simpsons...not to mention a potential new attraction at IOA, new waterpark, and hotel...if all this comes to fruition, WDW is going to have some very serious competition!
TDO...Avatarland and FLE are nice, but you're going to have to do a lot more than that in the next decade to keep getting my money. Otherwise I'll just keep doing what I've been doing and taking my money every year to DL instead.
TDO...Avatarland and FLE are nice, but you're going to have to do a lot more than that in the next decade to keep getting my money. Otherwise I'll just keep doing what I've been doing and taking my money every year to DL instead.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Except you're taking an example that ended awefully.. in part because the twin suffered because it was just a twin! Body Wars was not good and couldn't keep it's own pavilion open. At the time, there was ST, BW, and BTTF all in Orlando. BW while built on the same great technology that kept ST open and relevant for 20 years was a child from the start because it was 'the same thing' as ST.
They could built Transformers in USO to complement Spiderman at IOA... but I think that would be a huge waste of space and money IMO. Would cheapen both as not as unique and draw unnecessary comparisons.
I wouldn't disagree it might have been a factor, but it was not the deciding factor--probably not even a big one. Body Wars just wasn't anywhere near as good as Star Tours on any level. The same is not true of Transformers.
I disagree it'd be a huge waste of space and money--it would do very well, I'm certain of that. It sharing the same ride system won't compromise its popularity to any great extent. I do agree with your second point though to some degree as I too would rather a brand new experience than a clone. But I don't think it'd be any great travesty were they to build Transformers; despite the similar/identical ride system, the experience itself is sufficiently different.
flynnibus
Premium Member
If you are going to spend $100+ million to build something.. don't you want to get a $100+million worth out of it?
If you build it and people go 'well, its cool, but it's just spiderman plus some stuff'... you really aren't getting the same guest value as if it were a completely different attraction that people enjoyed fully on it's own. The closer rides are to each other, the more they detract from the stand-alone value of each.
Transformers is cool.. no doubt. But if they are going to spend that kind of money.. I'd rather they spend that money on something different from what they already got. So you get the max value for that $
If you build it and people go 'well, its cool, but it's just spiderman plus some stuff'... you really aren't getting the same guest value as if it were a completely different attraction that people enjoyed fully on it's own. The closer rides are to each other, the more they detract from the stand-alone value of each.
Transformers is cool.. no doubt. But if they are going to spend that kind of money.. I'd rather they spend that money on something different from what they already got. So you get the max value for that $
cheezbat
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I'm pretty sure since the research and development have already been done for Transformers, if they cloned it over here it would be cheaper.
Either way, I love the Spiderman ride, and am taking a trip to Universal Studios in Hollywood just because of their new Transformers ride. I wouldn't mind seeing it brought to the Studios park here. Universal needs as many attractions as it can get to boost attendance.
It won't cost anywhere near $100 million+. The bulk of the expense was undoubtedly R&D and actually producing the movie segments. Since those have already been paid for, duplicating the attraction should be relatively cheap. In that sense, it might actually offer better bang for the buck than most other unique alternatives.
Disneybear
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What is this proposed 'SS44' that is being mentioned for Uni?
I must have missed the original explanation of it.
I must have missed the original explanation of it.