NY Times: Bob Iger Effectively Back As CEO

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
There likely wouldn't even be a Disney if Eisner stayed on. Not just the theoretical "this isn't my Disney under Iger".

I'm actually not trying to praise Iger, just trying to wake people up to the reality of Eisner. Like all things fondness and nostalgia for things tends to put them on a pedestal in the Disney community.

Have you read Disney War?
Disney War and both Disney Touch‘s. See my last comment too.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Again, I'm not praising Iger. But - for the most part he doesn't have a legitimate personality disorder.
He doesn’t have a visible one. He’s better at concealing his ruthlessness and makes others play the bad guy and take the heat. He also failed to establish the very sort of smooth transition he promised for years. It doesn’t seem like he was begged to come back but has reasserted himself to cover his clear failure to prepare Disney for the future.
 

DisneyTalks

Active Member
I will say this about Eisner: his greatest theme park accomplishments are more noteworthy than Iger’s:

1. Tower of Terror
2. Indiana Jones Adventure
3. Splash Mountain
4. Star Tours
5. Expedition Everest
6. Kilimanjaro Safaris
7. Animal Kingdom (best themed park in the US)
8. Disneyland Paris (most beautiful castle park in the world)
9. The Great Movie Ride
10. Toontown/Roger Rabbit’s Car Toon Spin
11. Fantasmic! (Disneyland version)
12. Soarin’ over California
13. Grizzly River Run
14. Hong Kong Disneyland

This undeniably beats Iger’s highlights of:
1. Galaxy’s Edge
2. Pandora
3. Radiator Springs Racers/Cars Land
4. Toy Story Land (meh)
5. Mission: Breakout!
6. New Fantasyland (meh)
7. Shanghai Disneyland (just a mistake IMO...)
8. Happily Ever After
9. Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway
10. Tron
11. Epcot makeover (possibly?)

Looking at those lists, I’m actually convinced maybe Eisner was significantly better. But it could also be argued that Eisner’s lows were far worse than Iger’s (DCA 1.0, outside of Grizzly Peak). Time will tell.
Don’t forget, Eisner even added two whole water parks to that
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I will say this about Eisner: his greatest theme park accomplishments are more noteworthy than Iger’s:

1. Tower of Terror
2. Indiana Jones Adventure
3. Splash Mountain
4. Star Tours
5. Expedition Everest
6. Kilimanjaro Safaris
7. Animal Kingdom (best themed park in the US)
8. Disneyland Paris (most beautiful castle park in the world)
9. The Great Movie Ride
10. Toontown/Roger Rabbit’s Car Toon Spin
11. Fantasmic! (Disneyland version)
12. Soarin’ over California
13. Grizzly River Run
14. Hong Kong Disneyland

This undeniably beats Iger’s highlights of:
1. Galaxy’s Edge
2. Pandora
3. Radiator Springs Racers/Cars Land
4. Toy Story Land (meh)
5. Mission: Breakout!
6. New Fantasyland (meh)
7. Shanghai Disneyland (just a mistake IMO...)
8. Happily Ever After
9. Mickey & Minnie’s Runaway Railway
10. Tron
11. Epcot makeover (possibly?)

Looking at those lists, I’m actually convinced maybe Eisner was significantly better. But it could also be argued that Eisner’s lows were far worse than Iger’s (DCA 1.0, outside of Grizzly Peak). Time will tell.

Radiator Springs and DCA 2.0 we can thank John Lassiter for.

Pandora would have been a total loss for the park if it wasn’t for Joe.

Neither of them made or designed any of them, though!

Eisner personally green lit things he saw at Imagineering. I also think Eisner knew he was asking imagineers to do things on the cheap with bugs land and Dino-Rama... I don’t think Iger / Chapek know or care what they are doing to the parks.

Yes I’ve read Disney War... Eisner was not perfect at all and goodness the parks had their lowest of lows under his leadership.
 

DVCakaCarlF

Well-Known Member
Each one has their merits, no doubt...as others have said before, Iger was good for shareholders while Eisner was good for the consumers.

All leaders have their moment...then it’s time to go.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
To broaden this conversation beyond personalities, Eisner/Wells inherited a bench of talant and executives who either learned under Walt and Roy or were taught by their disciples. Disney never would have been able to accomplish what it did under his first ten years without them from the Disney Renaissance features to the new attractions and parks. Yet Eisner committed a cardinal sin by undervaluing the expertise he was given, especially in the parks. He and the strategic planning committee (Alumni include Jay Rasulo, Tom Staggs, Michael Colglaizer, Kevin Mayer) fired or forced out a generation of talented executives and replaced them with inexperienced hacks, a tradition that has continued with our newest “CEO” Bob C.

To this day, Burbank looking down on the parks and has deprived them of the experienced leadership/investment/vision they deserve. It has positioned the company poorly under the normal circumstances of leadership transition, doubly so post COVID-19.

Michael was wrong, monkeys couldn’t run a theme park.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Eisner also joined Disney (September 1984) right as the company launched, or was about to launch, a slew of gold mines including:

Touchstone Pictures (Splash released March 9 1984)
Tokyo Disneyland
Walt Disney Home Video (first sell-through animated classic Christmas 1984)
The Disney Channel
EPCOT Center

The wheels for projects like Star Tours and Roger Rabbit were also set in motion by then.

Great time to inherit the company and build on it.
 
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Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Contrast that with the Disney that got dumped on Chapek:

- Debt from Fox purchase
- Marvel franchise already peaked with Endgame
- Hong Kong Disneyland on shaky financial ground
- Star Wars franchise not meeting expectations
- Avatar franchise repeatedly delayed
- No more "big" live-action remakes like Lion King, BatB etc (except Mermaid)
- A WDW that needs billions to just maintain current revenue/market share


And that was before COVID-19.
 

DVCakaCarlF

Well-Known Member
Contrast that with the Disney that got dumped on Chapek:

- Debt from Fox purchase
- Marvel franchise already peaked with Endgame
- Hong Kong Disneyland on shaky financial ground
- Star Wars franchise not meeting expectations
- Avatar franchise repeatedly delayed
- No more "big" live-action remakes like Lion King, BatB etc (except Mermaid)
- A WDW that needs billions to just maintain current revenue/market share


And that was before COVID-19.
He took the job, so I give him no grace.
 
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