Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

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montyz81

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No, Disney wanted to use the Kuka technology for an Incredibles ride, but then Universal scored a 10 year exclusive contract with them or something.
Well, at least Universal is giving money back to Disney for Marvel or did Universal manage to come out the winner in that one too?
 

FigmentJedi

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Well, at least Universal is giving money back to Disney for Marvel or did Universal manage to come out the winner in that one too?
Yeah, but that gets cancelled out by Universal scoring the Nintendo rights.

You see, Disney almost established a working relationship with Nintendo back in the 90s that would have included park incorporation. But then the first thing that came out of those dealings was the live-action Super Mario Brothers movie and that bridge got burned down hard.

And of course, it's also poetic that Nintendo and Harry Potter are to share a theme park home considering that Nintendo themselves tried getting the Harry Potter rights before WB did in order to turn it into a video game franchise.
 

danlb_2000

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Well, at least Universal is giving money back to Disney for Marvel or did Universal manage to come out the winner in that one too?

Considering that the licensing fee can only go up based on the rate of inflation, Universal is probably still the winner in that deal.
 

Donaldfan1934

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One could argue there are attractions in every Disney park that could "fit" in Magic Kingdom instead of the park it is in. While I think staying with the theme is VERY important and not screwing that up, it's also no surprise they would want to spread some things out with the appeal and crowds MK gets v/s other parks.
Its not so much whether or not it COULD fit in MK, its about whether or not it BEST fits in MK. Frozen is one of the few rides that would fit best in MK that isn't in MK.
 

Donaldfan1934

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I thought the Kuka arm was originally proposed for Disney but Disney wanted too much creative control and JK wouldn't have any of that. Yup, Disney was very wrong on this one.
Point is, neither side could agree on how creative control would be divided. Its not one side's fault, just a disagreement that couldn't be resolved.
 
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spiritofNorway

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Stave Church is closing on April 18th and reopening at the end of May.

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...shment-amid-hints-of-frozens-opening-date.htm

I'm predicting a conversion into extended queue space. Like the line will weave through the church, the courtyard and the old theater. Can't have any of that nasty education going on in the Arendelle Pavilion.

Im pretty hopeful that they will put a new, Norwegian exhibit in the stave church gallery!
The rest of the pavilion has already been "Disneyfied" too much, so it would be a pretty big insult if they decided to just throw away the last/a perfect place to showcase Norway.

Personally I hope for an exhibition about the polar areas (maybe with the polarbears and puffins from the ride?), or an exhibition about myths and norse mythology. It has been clear for a long time that the exhibition "Norsk Kultur" would be closed sometime in 2016. Thats atleast when Disney´s contract with the Vesterheim museum ended.

They could also bring back the original exhibit about stave churches and how they were built, it was neat.
 

SJN1279

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It is a shame Disney was so bull headedly arrogant. JK said she wanted everyone to tap a brick with a wand to get in. Disney called her an idiot. Disney didn't get Potter.

Go figure.

Instead of leasing Potter without any product control, they outright bought Star Wars and Marvel and have full creative control of both products IPs. Potter is cool, but without ownership you can only go so far.
 

Donaldfan1934

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It is a shame Disney was so bull headedly arrogant. JK said she wanted everyone to tap a brick with a wand to get in. Disney called her an idiot. Disney didn't get Potter.

Go figure.
Well if that was the core issue, then it would be incredibly ironic. Universal never had the tap a wand to a brick thing to get into the land, but Disney has you tap a band to a pole to get into an entire park now. My how the tables have turned.
 

Cesar R M

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Also on the JK Rowling thing, to my knowledge, Disney didn't loose with JK, JK left Disney because she wanted too much creative control and went to Universal. She wanted every single person to have to tap a wand on the bricks to get into Diagon Alley.
They could have done this like a "rope drop" type event. Opening the area for the day.
 

Cesar R M

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Yeah, but that gets cancelled out by Universal scoring the Nintendo rights.

You see, Disney almost established a working relationship with Nintendo back in the 90s that would have included park incorporation. But then the first thing that came out of those dealings was the live-action Super Mario Brothers movie and that bridge got burned down hard.

And of course, it's also poetic that Nintendo and Harry Potter are to share a theme park home considering that Nintendo themselves tried getting the Harry Potter rights before WB did in order to turn it into a video game franchise.
now, like I said many times.. if Universal could get Dreamworks character rights..
and I mean more than just Shrek...
 

FigmentJedi

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Yep, imagine Star Wars Land with George Lucas in control - Jar Jar as far as the eye can see.
Even George knew how bad Jar Jar ended up being. Like his instructions for the writers in Clone Wars episodes involving Jar Jar were "The characters are about as annoyed with him as the fans are" and he had a life-sized "Jar Jar in Carbonite" commissioned for his office.

And while George got really overdramatic about Disney throwing his treatments out, most of his ideas are still in play. In fact, Rogue One is the only current Star Wars film project that wasn't one of the ideas George gave to Disney. The Han movie, the rumored Boba movie, the basic setup of the sequel trilogy being focused around a young woman's journey to become a Jedi in the midst of the New Republic's fall, all from George.
 

DisneyGentleman

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Even George knew how bad Jar Jar ended up being. Like his instructions for the writers in Clone Wars episodes involving Jar Jar were "The characters are about as annoyed with him as the fans are" and he had a life-sized "Jar Jar in Carbonite" commissioned for his office.

And while George got really overdramatic about Disney throwing his treatments out, most of his ideas are still in play. In fact, Rogue One is the only current Star Wars film project that wasn't one of the ideas George gave to Disney. The Han movie, the rumored Boba movie, the basic setup of the sequel trilogy being focused around a young woman's journey to become a Jedi in the midst of the New Republic's fall, all from George.
No doubt George has good ideas - it's the execution of those ideas where he fails.
Great directors have spent careers honing their skills; George unfortunately wasted away, resting on his early laurels.
 

Donaldfan1934

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Instead of leasing Potter without any product control, they outright bought Star Wars and Marvel and have full creative control of both products IPs. Potter is cool, but without ownership you can only go so far.
I agree, Star Wars and Marvel are WAAAAAAAY above Potter in my book. But the outright buyouts weren't done with the parks as too priority. They can't use vast majority of Marvel characters in Florida and can't use the Marvel name in any U.S. theme park. Also, they leased Star Wars and Indiana Jones without any product control for decades.
 

GhostHost1000

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Yeah, but that gets cancelled out by Universal scoring the Nintendo rights.

You see, Disney almost established a working relationship with Nintendo back in the 90s that would have included park incorporation. But then the first thing that came out of those dealings was the live-action Super Mario Brothers movie and that bridge got burned down hard.

And of course, it's also poetic that Nintendo and Harry Potter are to share a theme park home considering that Nintendo themselves tried getting the Harry Potter rights before WB did in order to turn it into a video game franchise.

I don't see Nintendo being THAT big of a deal these days and nowhere near the level of Marvel, Star Wars, or even Potter at the moment
 

Next Big Thing

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I don't see Nintendo being THAT big of a deal these days and nowhere near the level of Marvel, Star Wars, or even Potter at the moment
Nintendo will be huge. There's about 3 separate generations now who have gotten to play a Nintendo system and gotten to know and love the characters. Mario is one of the most recognizable characters in the world, right up there with Mickey Mouse.
 

Jon81uk

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now, like I said many times.. if Universal could get Dreamworks character rights..
and I mean more than just Shrek...

Merlin Entertainments have a good relationship with Dreamworks now, in the UK we have Shrek's Adventure attraction and I think this will come to the US. In the Merlin UK theme parks we also have an Ice Age 4D show (Alton Towers) and a Madagascar stage show (Chessington World of Adventures).
I think Universal are concentrating on Illumination animation now, there is rumours of a Secret Life of Pets ride coming soon.
 

CastleBound

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Nintendo will be huge. There's about 3 separate generations now who have gotten to play a Nintendo system and gotten to know and love the characters. Mario is one of the most recognizable characters in the world, right up there with Mickey Mouse.
Definitely going to be huge. Definitely a slightly different demo than Frozen. I think it'll pull even more than Frozen. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Zelda. I'll be there everyday if they do something good with that series.
 
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