Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

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Mike S

Mike S

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Lirael said:
Ratatouille happened in France and Mary Poppins in England but Frozen happened in Arendelle, a fantasy kingdom based on Norway. It's not Norway. Might as well claim Zootopia was based on Germany and shove the characters in there. I feel it's tacky to remove a ride that perfectly fit the country theme to shoehorn another that barely has to do with it. If they had chosen to keep Maelstrom while making a Frozen attraction along with it, it would have been better, to me.
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Could've been a Diagon Alley style approach. Norway to Arendelle.
 
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IMDREW said:
I'm probably the only one here, but I would love it if Disney would fill the world showcase with new rides based on their movies. A Ratatouille ride in France, a Mary Poppins ride in England, now Frozen in Norway (although I do hate the hype it's gotten) and so on. The exteriors of the rides should have to be in authentic architecture of the countries and blend perfectly with how the countries are looking now and you musn't notice the "fantasy" aspects of the films until on the ride, but I would like it. Certainly not replacing what's already there, but it think it would bring some Disney magic to a park that reall needs it in my opinion. Epcot is really starting to look outdated. Please don't hate, just wanted to share my thoughts..
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I don't entirely disagree with you. I first went to EPCOT the first year it was open (I was in my 20s) and was completely blown away by it. To this day, WS is my favorite place in WDW (although AK has become a very close second). I am somewhat of a "purist", and the current condition of FW is just plain depressing. But I would not be against ADDING some movie tie-ins to WS, as long as the real-world cultural elements are not sacrificed. A Fuji coaster in Japan - absolutely. A Ratatouille ride in France - fine, as long as "Impressions de France" is not sacrificed. A Mary Poppins or Brave ride in Great Britain added to what is already there - no problem. A Pinocchio ride added to the back of Italy or a Mulan ride added to China - why not? These are all attractions that are culturally linked to the countries, and if it is a way to introduce kids to the different cultures, I think there is the possibility for it to be an educational experience. The "problem" with Frozen is that it doesn't take place in a "real" country and has no link to Norway other than vaguely Scandinavian architecture and costumes (and truth be told, the original story is Danish in origin, not Norwegian) and it is taking the place of Maelstrom which was a "real" cultural attraction (as flawed as it was). In some ways, the Frozen makeover is less upsetting to me than the move that changed Akershus from a very good Norwegian TS restaurant into a mass-feeding princess stable...
 
aladdin2007

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Brian Swan said:
I don't entirely disagree with you. I first went to EPCOT the first year it was open (I was in my 20s) and was completely blown away by it. To this day, WS is my favorite place in WDW (although AK has become a very close second). I am somewhat of a "purist", and the current condition of FW is just plain depressing. But I would not be against ADDING some movie tie-ins to WS, as long as the real-world cultural elements are not sacrificed. A Fuji coaster in Japan - absolutely. A Ratatouille ride in France - fine, as long as "Impressions de France" is not sacrificed. A Mary Poppins or Brave ride in Great Britain added to what is already there - no problem. A Pinocchio ride added to the back of Italy or a Mulan ride added to China - why not? These are all attractions that are culturally linked to the countries, and if it is a way to introduce kids to the different cultures, I think there is the possibility for it to be an educational experience. The "problem" with Frozen is that it doesn't take place in a "real" country and has no link to Norway other than vaguely Scandinavian architecture and costumes (and truth be told, the original story is Danish in origin, not Norwegian) and it is taking the place of Maelstrom which was a "real" cultural attraction (as flawed as it was). In some ways, the Frozen makeover is less upsetting to me than the move that changed Akershus from a very good Norwegian TS restaurant into a mass-feeding princess stable...
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can definitely agree with that!! that ruined it for me.
 
GhostHost1000

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But then all you have is TWO Magic Kingdoms. Whats the point? Why not just expand MK or build a new park? Epcot, HS, and AK all play a role in the fact that they are unique in their own ways. They have their own identities which in turn creates distinction that allows guests to appreciate the difference between fantasy and the real world. Should everyday be Christmas because its more fun than most days?

And considering we live in a world today where everyone seems to be concerned about racial equality and acceptance of other cultures, it seems that WS would be a great platform to bridge some of those gaps. Not saying it should be an awareness program or anything, but it has potential to be an educational tool through entertainment.
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One could argue there are attractions in every Disney park that could "fit" in Magic Kingdom instead of the park it is in. While I think staying with the theme is VERY important and not screwing that up, it's also no surprise they would want to spread some things out with the appeal and crowds MK gets v/s other parks.
 
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There are ways to incorporate rides / attractions without turning WS into another Fantasyland and still maintaining its cultural aspect. For instance, instead of a typical Fantasyland-style Mary Poppins ride in England, a story could be told from the perspective of the chimney sweep or an umbrella thrill ride through the streets of London, incorporating elements of British culture (past and present). I'm sure, given the opportunity, the Imagineers could come up with some very interesting concepts for WS.
 
montyz81

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Mike S said:
Could've been a Diagon Alley style approach. Norway to Arendelle.
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That is an interesting thought. Disney was negotiating with JK Rowling to get the ride and lost. If they had won, would we have seen HPFJ and Diagon Alley in England at World Showcase? What would that have done. to that area. It would have had to demolish Millennium Village. Probably even go across the river into Beach Club.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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montyz81 said:
That is an interesting thought. Disney was negotiating with JK Rowling to get the ride and lost. If they had won, would we have seen HPFJ and Diagon Alley in England at World Showcase? What would that have done. to that area. It would have had to demolish Millennium Village. Probably even go across the river into Beach Club.
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No. We would've seen TSMM with Wands. Seriously. That was Disney's Potter pitch. An insider here said so. I forget which one.
 
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Tahu said:
Stave Church is closing on April 18th and reopening at the end of May.

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...shment-amid-hints-of-frozens-opening-date.htm

I'm predicting a conversion into extended queue space. Like the line will weave through the church, the courtyard and the old theater. Can't have any of that nasty education going on in the Arendelle Pavilion.
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When I first saw the article my thought was oh good, they're going to restore it to the pre-Frozen exhibit. But, sadly, I think you are probably closer to the truth. They'll probably be able to cram at least one or two switch-backs into the building. The ride line will fill most of the courtyard, to the right will be the line for Akershus, and to the left will be the M&G line. Somewhere in the middle will be a narrow path to get to Kringla and the shops. I don't even want to guess where all of the strollers are going to go...
 
MagicHappens1971

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Also on the JK Rowling thing, to my knowledge, Disney didn't loose with JK, JK left Disney because she wanted too much creative control and went to Universal. She wanted every single person to have to tap a wand on the bricks to get into Diagon Alley.
 
montyz81

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Mike S said:
No. We would've seen TSMM with Wands. Seriously. That was Disney's Potter pitch. An insider here said so. I forget which one.
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I thought the Kuka arm was originally proposed for Disney but Disney wanted too much creative control and JK wouldn't have any of that. Yup, Disney was very wrong on this one.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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montyz81 said:
I thought the Kuka arm was originally proposed for Disney but Disney wanted too much creative control and JK wouldn't have any of that. Yup, Disney was very wrong on this one.
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Universal was originally going to make a Van Helsing ride using KUKA arms. Then they dusted that idea off for Potter.
 
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