Norway Pavilion Frozen construction - Frozen Ever After ride

[Sped2424]

Personal preferences aside, why don't you think that this is going to be a classic when its one of the most successful WDAS films since the Renaissance?

It will be fine. Frozen's placement in Epcot is bad and people translate that and it's hype to Frozen is bad. The film will be a classic for generations to come that much is certain.

 

[WDWFanDave]

Just passed by and snapped some photos after enjoying the mariachi band in Mexico (those guys are great!).
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In typical Disney fashion, the rock work looks very good.

Thanks for the photos!

I wonder if they'll replace the palm tree in the second picture?

 

[OldBlueEyes]

The previous structures in the pavilion were inspired by real-world architecture. The new structures are going to be inspired by the film. I can't imagine they won't clash.

Here's a few examples of present-day norwegian Sommerhus (or hytte, as most norwegians call them). There are literarily thousands of these all over the country, mainly in the mountain areas:

Here's a look at how they are built:

And finally, here's what they can look like inside. Hopefully Disney will have the decency to have some of the inside of the M&G area
look like this:

OBE

 

[sedati]

I've noticed a lot of trends in the comments here that I find odd. Taking Frozen entirely out of the conversation, there seems to be many who feel that World Showcase is not a place for "the kiddies" or at least not for any large amount of them. World Showcase is also not the place for any kind of popular attraction. Anything that would draw a long line is going to ruin that whole half of the park and render it impassable. If Frozen's expected lines are going to destroy that part of the park, then the same argument could be taken to mean they should never build anything approaching an E ticket (calm down I'm not claiming Frozen as and E) in World Showcase. Wouldn't the long yearned for Matterhorn or Mt Fuji deliver all the same issues?
Is World Showcase simply the adult lounge that it's been for decades? Should it not be a gated attraction and just turned into a Disney Springs with an international theme? Maybe Disney should go whole hog and on top of the endless booze, they should gut the few existing attractions and turn them into casinos and ban children entirely.

 

[bhg469]

And you know this how? Did you time travel to the future? Maybe it won't be quite as successful as the highest grossing animated film of all time, or it could go on to be even more successful, I mean we won't really know until it comes out....

I don't need a crystal ball to tell you that the franchise is on the down turn. Its a very bright flash in the pan.... And that doesn't change the FACT it does not belong in epcot.

 

[bhg469]

Personal preferences aside, why don't you think that this is going to be a classic when its one of the most successful WDAS films since the Renaissance?

We will see when the sequel does less than half the revenue.

 

[wm49rs]

I've noticed a lot of trends in the comments here that I find odd. Taking Frozen entirely out of the conversation, there seems to be many who feel that World Showcase is not a place for "the kiddies" or at least not for any large amount of them. World Showcase is also not the place for any kind of popular attraction. Anything that would draw a long line is going to ruin that whole half of the park and render it impassable. If Frozen's expected lines are going to destroy that part of the park, then the same argument could be taken to mean they should never build anything approaching an E ticket (calm down I'm not claiming Frozen as and E) in World Showcase. Wouldn't the long yearned for Matterhorn or Mt Fuji deliver all the same issues?
Is World Showcase simply the adult lounge that it's been for decades? Should it not be a gated attraction and just turned into a Disney Springs with an international theme? Maybe Disney should go whole hog and on top of the endless booze, they should gut the few existing attractions and turn them into casinos and ban children entirely.

There's a far difference between not wanting to flood WS with cartoon IPs and a supposed desire to keep "the kiddies" out....

 

[mm52200]

We will see when the sequel does less than half the revenue.

How did you finally get the time machine to work? I've been working on one forever, but seems like you knew the secret step to making it work. How is Star Wars Land? How was SW Episode 8(don't spoil it though!)? Were the Avatar sequels ever made?

All sarcasm aside, how do you go about making these bold statements that the film and franchise are going to flop? It's still a strong franchise, and will be very successful. I doubt most people were saying in 1995 that Toy Story was just a flash in the pan or that it was a fad. I doubt people weren't expecting to have a billion dollar grossing third film almost 15 years later but yet it did. We just don't know how things are going to go until they actually happen.

 

[marni1971]

I've noticed a lot of trends in the comments here that I find odd. Taking Frozen entirely out of the conversation, there seems to be many who feel that World Showcase is not a place for "the kiddies" or at least not for any large amount of them..

Well, it would solve the stroller problem.

Besides, they tried it. It was called Pleasure Island. It didn't make them enough money.

 

[FigmentForver96]

LOL at people calling Frozen a "classic". Sorry, it is a great movie, but it will never earn a spot among the true classics of Disney animation.

I don't mean this in the wrong way because I truly respect your opinions but how do you know? I mean I don't know the future but i don't see this just leaving and becoming a "flash in the pan" type of movie. What evidence do you see that would make it not become a classic?

 

[bhg469]

I don't think it will fizzle out, ever. The kiddies who love it now will love it forever, just like my generation still loves Toy Story, Lion King, Aladdin etc. I just don't personally view it being worthy of the title Disney classic. Its all relative

Agree 10000%

 

[Mike S]

Here's a few examples of present-day norwegian Sommerhus (or hytte, as most norwegians call them). There are literarily thousands of these all over the country, mainly in the mountain areas:
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Here's a look at how they are built:
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And finally, here's what they can look like inside. Hopefully Disney will have the decency to have some of the inside of the M&G area
look like this:
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OBE

 

[seabreezept813]

There's a far difference between not wanting to flood WS with cartoon IPs and a supposed desire to keep "the kiddies" out....

To be fair, World Showcase has always been kid friendly, even without the Caballeros or Frozen. The country passports or even Duffy sticks were just more subtle. My stepdaughter loved the countries at age 7 and would enjoy the passport stamp and even just talking to the cast members to ask questions about the country. Now at age 12, she loves Frozen, but is more sad that Maelstrom will be gone than excited for a Frozen ride. Maybe kids need to be given the benefit of the doubt here by Disney, so they shouldn't keep dumbing down experiences. A curious kid will appreciate just being in a new environment with films, entertainment, etc. And if a kid can't handle a more mature environment, then it might not hurt to wait a few more years.

 

[NearTheEars]

We will see when the sequel does less than half the revenue.

While I think it's crazy to predict whether or not the film will be classic so close to its release, it's crazier to think its sequel will dissapoint with half the revenue.

 

[NearTheEars]

I don't think it will fizzle out, ever. The kiddies who love it now will love it forever, just like my generation still loves Toy Story, Lion King, Aladdin etc. I just don't personally view it being worthy of the title Disney classic. Its all relative

That's a fair assessment. What's considered a classic to us, who grew up with the renaissance films will be much different from today's children.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

there seems to be many who feel that World Showcase is not a place for "the kiddies" or at least not for any large amount of them. World Showcase is also not the place for any kind of popular attraction. Anything that would draw a long line is going to ruin that whole half of the park and render it impassable. If Frozen's expected lines are going to destroy that part of the park, then the same argument could be taken to mean they should never build anything approaching an E ticket (calm down I'm not claiming Frozen as and E) in World Showcase. Wouldn't the long yearned for Matterhorn or Mt Fuji deliver all the same issues?

Long lines are the result of popularity combined with low capacity and minimal indoor queue space. No one has ever said to not build a popular ride for WS. If Matterhorn of Mt Fuji had high capacity and large, permanent queues, the same concerns would not apply.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

We will see when the sequel does less than half the revenue.

But you didn't answer my question. Why do you think this is different from most popular Disney films? Because Disney exploited it?

 

[No Name]

I've noticed a lot of trends in the comments here that I find odd. Taking Frozen entirely out of the conversation, there seems to be many who feel that World Showcase is not a place for "the kiddies" or at least not for any large amount of them.

Oh, it should certainly appeal to all ages. I find that stance very odd too. Should Epcot really only be for adults? No, not at all. While Epcot can continue to be educational, it should certainly provide a fun day for youngsters.

There are plenty of ways to do this. The land pavillion, particularly Soarin, is the best example. Soarin appeals to almost all ages. It's a fun ride that shows different parts of... well... soon the whole world. Not boring for kids, not boring for adults. It's not "preachingly" educational, but it does subtly educate you without you even knowing. It's a great fit for Epcot.

Children enjoy looking at the plants in Living with the Land. I've changed my thought on The Seas a bit, becuase nemo might get kids interested in the aquarium stuff after the ride (though it's completely hypocritical that Nemo is promoting an aquarium but whatevs). Test Track did this great before the redo, now it does alright. Mission Space gives a feel of being an astronaut. Everything else does sort of alright. Not great, but better than the original rides. I think the originals were excellent, but to keep children interested, a bit of the "preaching" aspect needs to be substitued for some flare.

And Spaceship Earth, well, I think having a centerpiece ride like that is fine. There's something about it that you don't appreciate till you're older, and while I hate to sound hypocritical, it's okay to have one or two rides like that.

Anyway, my whole point is that the idea of Epcot isn't dead or impossible, it just needs to appeal to all audiences. So my concern is that Frozenstrom won't at all have this balance I talked about. It seems almost completely tipped toward just being fun or magical. And that's what Magic Kingdom is suposed to do. That's my concern, the ride will be out of balance. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

It will be fine. Frozen's placement in Epcot is bad and people translate that and it's hype to Frozen is bad. The film will be a classic for generations to come that much is certain.

You said it best. I agree.

 

[Sped2424]

We will see when the sequel does less than half the revenue.

You know toy story 3 made more than the first 2 ever did? What makes you think in any dimension that Frozen 2 isn't going to bring in stupid cash.