No more Fois Gras served in WDW restaurants..

[ddbowdoin]

Deer is a wild animal and it is eaten quite often all around the world. It isn't about being domesticated or not it is simple evolution. We are not vegetarians by digestion or by design. Yes our brains allow us to have that option as we can fight our natural urges but there are some proteins and vitamins found in meat that then must be derived by non-natural sources if you choose a strict vegan diet. I'm not one to try and change anyone's opinions but I worked for the ASPCA and still volunteer quite often but I also grew up on a farm and was educated through my schools FFA program on how to ethically raise animals and ethically source fruits and vegetables for consumption. I believe eating meat is just apart of life. Sharks don't stop and think about the fish they eat and lions don't stop to second guess if they killed that zebra ethically. The real problem with humans is that we created technology and that has put us so far to the top of the evolution chain that we are now throwing off the natural system. We are now over populating and taking out crucial parts of the evolution chain. Something one day will restore that balance be it another black plaque or a food shortage.

you missed my point... if you had an animal that was wild and had a limited population, then I could understand not eating that animal, or controlling their consumption. BUT cows, poultry, pork exist FOR ONE REASON ONLY.... TO BE EATEN

 

[ddbowdoin]

Wow! Too much information,like what organ are we talking dude?

LOL you took it that way dude... I have no shame in eating liver, damn tasty... or tripe

 

[psukardi]

LOL you took it that way dude... I have no shame in eating liver, damn tasty... or tripe

Liver is really good.
Tripe - only if it's in some Pho

 

[wilkeliza]

you missed my point... if you had an animal that was wild and had a limited population, then I could understand not eating that animal, or controlling their consumption. BUT cows, poultry, pork exist FOR ONE REASON ONLY.... TO BE EATEN

You just said natural wild animals that is why I brought up deer. The rest of the post wasn't in reference to your statement it was more on a line of reasoning why our consumption of animals isn't an issue destroying the world but the over consumption and clearing of land that is the greater issue.

 

[real mad hatter]

LOL you took it that way dude... I have no shame in eating liver, damn tasty... or tripe

My DW loves liver,not me tho.I did tho have haunch of wild venison in a very posh restaurant once and I asked my server how much it was,and she replied $10.00. To which I replied, are you sure because that's not dear,she said,I can assure you it is deer.

 

[rani8600]

you missed my point... if you had an animal that was wild and had a limited population, then I could understand not eating that animal, or controlling their consumption. BUT cows, poultry, pork exist FOR ONE REASON ONLY.... TO BE EATEN

These animals managed to live very well in the wild before mankind decided to "domesticate" them. A good example is the turkey. This animal has lived in the wild for thousands of years and still does. I see wild turkeys on my way home from work (I live in new jersey, not the country). The same can be said for the wild boar, also known as a pig.

 

[luv]

I get vegetarians. I do. Totally.

I'll eat cow, pig and chicken...and do, on a regular basis.

But I'd never eat dog or cat. I'm an American. Most of us are fond of those animals and don't see them as meat. Many of us keep them in the house and love them. Unless we were starving, we wouldn't eat them. It would be almost like eating a person...to us, anyway.

Vegetarians extend that love to ALL animals. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, being upset over the killing of animals for food (or leather) is a First World Problem. Being able to choose whether or not to eat meat is a luxury not granted to all people.

Vegetarians, vegans, fruitarians...they aren't hurting anyone. They're just doing their thing. I don't think meat eaters should endure any nastiness from them, but I don't think they should endure any, either.

 

[rani8600]

Yes our brains allow us to have that option as we can fight our natural urges but there are some proteins and vitamins found in meat that then must be derived by non-natural sources if you choose a strict vegan diet.

This is not true, its just a myth. I eat a completely plant based diet and do not have to take any vitamins from any non-natural source and all protiens that humans need are found in plants....thats how the animals got them before they showed up in the meat.

 

[ddbowdoin]

These animals managed to live very well in the wild before mankind decided to "domesticate" them. A good example is the turkey. This animal has lived in the wild for thousands of years and still does. I see wild turkeys on my way home from work (I live in new jersey, not the country). The same can be said for the wild boar, also known as a pig.

in their current existence, as domesticated animals... they're here to be eaten

 

[sweetpee_1993]

These animals managed to live very well in the wild before mankind decided to "domesticate" them. A good example is the turkey. This animal has lived in the wild for thousands of years and still does. I see wild turkeys on my way home from work (I live in new jersey, not the country). The same can be said for the wild boar, also known as a pig.

in their current existence, as domesticated animals... they're here to be eaten

I take it y'all don't hunt. Let me just tell you, there's not a bit of meat sold at the local grocery store chain that can touch fresh game meat...especially turkey & pig (the little ones are the best). Yum!

 

[psukardi]

I take it y'all don't hunt. Let me just tell you, there's not a bit of meat sold at the local grocery store chain that can touch fresh game meat...especially turkey & pig (the little ones are the best). Yum!

Venison is my favorite. I would walk a mile barefoot across blacktop in July for some deer jerky

 

[ddbowdoin]

I take it y'all don't hunt. Let me just tell you, there's not a bit of meat sold at the local grocery store chain that can touch fresh game meat...especially turkey & pig (the little ones are the best). Yum!

oh I agree... but for the sake of ease, I'll take domesticated meat.

I'm a city dwelling yankee...

 

[luv]

This is not true, its just a myth. I eat a completely plant based diet and do not have to take any vitamins from any non-natural source and all protiens that humans need are found in plants....thats how the animals got them before they showed up in the meat.

There is something in meat that makes people grow taller. All those countries where they eat little to no meat...the people are short.

If you go to Chinese cities now, you can see the difference all around. All the older people are short. The younger a group, the taller they are. As the country began making money, they could afford meat. It is really fascinating to see the impact it had all around, just looking at people. In about one more generation, they'll be as tall as Americans.

You can eliminate meat and be totally healthy, no doubt about it. But if a population wants their children to grow tall and strong, they must include meat in the diet.

 

[ddbowdoin]

I take it y'all don't hunt. Let me just tell you, there's not a bit of meat sold at the local grocery store chain that can touch fresh game meat...especially turkey & pig (the little ones are the best). Yum!

also, not a word in proper English! Just poking fun at my friends south of the Mason Dixon line.

 

[ddbowdoin]

There is something in meat that makes people grow taller. All those countries where they eat little to no meat...the people are short.

If you go to Chinese cities now, you can see the difference all around. All the older people are short. The younger a group, the taller they are. As the country began making money, they could afford meat. It is really fascinating to see the impact it had all around, just looking at people. In about one more generation, they'll be as tall as Americans.

You can eliminate meat and be totally healthy, no doubt about it. But if a population wants their children to grow tall and strong, they must include meat in the diet.

central / south america... inca and mayans...

 

[John]

You want to be a Veggie....by all means go ahead. But just remember that a lot of vacines and meds were tested on animals . How many of you veggies would slap a mosquito chowing down on your arm? or use ant spay? step on a big hairy spider crawling across the floor? What about the polution that is spewing out your cars tail pipe killing insects in its path? The waste you throw in the trash only to be deposited in a land fill that was once a habitat for some critter?....you get my point. Is a cow more important to you then a mosquito or flea or any bug?

A previous poster mentioned she didnt wear leather....Say God forbid you were in a car accident....would you mind if I used my leather belt to use as a turniquit to stop the bleeding? WHat about the gasoline in your car. You think some of the oil used to make gas was from a oil well where while drilling some of that oil....it was spilled killing some poor animal close by?

I get not eating meat for health issues...but because someone wants to stand up for animal rights just dosnt sit well with me. In order to not impact animals we would have to cease to exsist......

 

[njDizFan]

There is something in meat that makes people grow taller. All those countries where they eat little to no meat...the people are short.

If you go to Chinese cities now, you can see the difference all around. All the older people are short. The younger a group, the taller they are. As the country began making money, they could afford meat. It is really fascinating to see the impact it had all around, just looking at people. In about one more generation, they'll be as tall as Americans.

You can eliminate meat and be totally healthy, no doubt about it. But if a population wants their children to grow tall and strong, they must include meat in the diet.

Not really true. Malnutrition will cause people to grow smaller as well as atmospheric conditions,altitude,climate etc.,the human body will evolve to be able to flourish in it's surroundings. But saying if you are a vegetarian you will be small is just not true. The reason the people in North Korea are smaller than their counterparts in south Korea is because they were being malnourished, the same with the Chinese peasants, the body needs more than rice to sustain a proper balance, which must include fats and protien(which can be found in many non-animal products).

 

[hellowonderland]

You want to be a Veggie....by all means go ahead. But just remember that a lot of vacines and meds were tested on animals . How many of you veggies would slap a mosquito chowing down on your arm? or use ant spay? step on a big hairy spider crawling across the floor? What about the polution that is spewing out your cars tail pipe killing insects in its path? The waste you throw in the trash only to be deposited in a land fill that was once a habitat for some critter?....you get my point. Is a cow more important to you then a mosquito or flea or any bug?

A previous poster mentioned she didnt wear leather....Say God forbid you were in a car accident....would you mind if I used my leather belt to use as a turniquit to stop the bleeding? WHat about the gasoline in your car. You think some of the oil used to make gas was from a oil well where while drilling some of that oil....it was spilled killing some poor animal close by?

I get not eating meat for health issues...but because someone wants to stand up for animal rights just dosnt sit well with me. In order to not impact animals we would have to cease to exsist......

Huh? Oh, God forbid anyone stand for anything or they have to stand for everything. This, frankly, is a little ridiculous. Everyone does what they can and no one is perfect.

 

[njDizFan]

You want to be a Veggie....by all means go ahead. But just remember that a lot of vacines and meds were tested on animals . How many of you veggies would slap a mosquito chowing down on your arm? or use ant spay? step on a big hairy spider crawling across the floor? What about the polution that is spewing out your cars tail pipe killing insects in its path? The waste you throw in the trash only to be deposited in a land fill that was once a habitat for some critter?....you get my point. Is a cow more important to you then a mosquito or flea or any bug?

A previous poster mentioned she didnt wear leather....Say God forbid you were in a car accident....would you mind if I used my leather belt to use as a turniquit to stop the bleeding? WHat about the gasoline in your car. You think some of the oil used to make gas was from a oil well where while drilling some of that oil....it was spilled killing some poor animal close by?

I get not eating meat for health issues...but because someone wants to stand up for animal rights just dosnt sit well with me. In order to not impact animals we would have to cease to exsist......

Sorry your post is mostly hyperbole. Obviously people are vegetarians for different reasons(nutrition, love of animals, dislike of farming practices), different agendas, different specifications. Vegan,lacato-ovo, raw food, etc. But unless you are in the strictist monastic order of Budhism you must realize that everything you do will impact some species directly or indirectly. You can make efforts by not wearing leather by not using poisnous pesticides by resticting your carbon imprint by purchasing make-up from responsible companies. It's absurd to think that a person could banish themselves from a world that has used the animal for millions of uses for centuries in order to be responsible. And yes, you can use that leather turniquit to save my life but if I have a reasonable options I make personal choices to eliminate products that harm the rest of the worlds creatures.

 

[luv]

Not really true. Malnutrition will cause people to grow smaller as well as atmospheric conditions,altitude,climate etc.,the human body will evolve to be able to flourish in it's surroundings. But saying if you are a vegetarian you will be small is just not true. The reason the people in North Korea are smaller than their counterparts in south Korea is because they were being malnourished, the same with the Chinese peasants, the body needs more than rice to sustain a proper balance, which must include fats and protien(which can be found in many non-animal products).

It is true. People who are malnourished display other things. There are almost always signs of prolonged malnourishment. It isn't just height, though that is certainly part of it. Short arms - shorter than they should be, given the person's height - is not uncommon. You really don't notice stuff like that unless you're looking for it, though.

Add meat to a population's diet and you will watch them grow taller.

...and I wasn't talking about peasants. I specifically said "cities." They weren't malnourished. They were perfectly healthy without meat. They were just short. And each generation grows taller than the last.