No Marvel in Orlando???

sbkline

Well-Known Member
this is great news to me. Marvel doesn't belong anywhere in WDW.

I would agree with you, and consider this great news as well, if I wasn't realistic enough to know that Universal probably won't be willing to pay their competitor to continue using this product. I would imagine that as soon as Universal can ditch Marvel, they will, thereby allowing Disney to use them wherever they want.

I hope I am wrong, since I like Universal, and I like Marvel's presence there, and don't think Marvel has any place at WDW. My opinion of the best case scenario is where everything remains as it is, and Universal simply pays royalties to Disney to use the Marvel characters in its parks. But just because that's my idea of the ideal scenario, that doesn't mean that's how it's going to go down.
 

MickeyDent

Member
Think about it though. Do you really think Disney is going to pay that much money for Marvel if they can't use them? While I don't think we will see any Marvel characters @ WDW immediately, I do think it is only a matter of time until we do.

As far as how that would impact Universal, who knows? Maybe the contracts in place will simply allow them to keep what they have but not allow any development of new attractions. No one truely knows except Universal, Marvel and Disney.
 

castevens

Member
Think about it though. Do you really think Disney is going to pay that much money for Marvel if they can't use them? While I don't think we will see any Marvel characters @ WDW immediately, I do think it is only a matter of time until we do.

And it will only be a short amount of time before people forget that Marvel was ever *not* part of Disney, a la Winnie the Pooh
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
I think the time lines involved with Universal non renewing a contract and phasing out Marvel allows Disney time to develope its use at DHS where Marvel would fit in great, even better if it had Stars and Motorcars and not Pixar on Parade. There is huge meet and greet potential with Marvel characters in the animation area of DHS as well as some type of E ticket attraction on the opposite side of the park as RnR and ToT.
 

Studios Fan

Active Member
There's nothing in the article that hasn't been said before. I eventually expect to see Universal make a deal with Hasbro, Dreamworks, or DC (although that is unlikely because of Six Flags).
 

SeaCastle

Well-Known Member
this is great news to me. Marvel doesn't belong anywhere in WDW.

Agreed! :) The last thing WDW needs is another proliferation of characters, especially ones that aren't originally Disney. If these Marvel characters go anywhere in Orlando (which IMHO they shouldn't) keep them at the Studios. I'd hate to see Spidey climbing all over SSE and swinging from window to window on Main Street. And that's not to say Marvel should go in the Studios. DHS has an identity crisis and making it a superhero park is not the way to solve it.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
Think about it though. Do you really think Disney is going to pay that much money for Marvel if they can't use them? While I don't think we will see any Marvel characters @ WDW immediately, I do think it is only a matter of time until we do.

That may be true, but we also need to keep in mind that there is alot more to the Disney Company than WDW. The theme park division is but one part of the Disney Company, and WDW is but one part of the theme park division. So perhaps, in purchasing Marvel, the Disney Company was not even thinking primarily of WDW. That may be towards the bottom of their list in terms of why the bought Marvel.

As WDW geeks, our first thought, in thinking about Disney, is WDW. But for the execs at the Disney company, WDW may be their last thought. And even if they do put the Marvel characters in WDW, I'm sure they won't be silly enough to have Spiderman swinging from SSE. Apparently, they own the Muppets, too, but all we see of them is one attraction in the back corner of DHS...and rightly so. So we shouldn't all assume that the Magic Kingdom is now going to be infested with Marvel Characters. While I'm sure that the characters will come to WDW at some point, hopefully the powers that be will realize how stupid it would be to try to move Marvel SuperHero Island from IofA, to WDW.
 

JimboJones123

Well-Known Member
It has taken a week for this to settle in.

I think the branding that Universal has done with Marvel really hurts Disney.

These characters have been use for so long to celebrate non-Disney that they should seperate any possible presence by a few years.

I do think some greatness can be made by these characters by Disney, but they should be clearly seperate.

We have heard for years about smaller parks being built like the Mall of America park and the Adventuredome in Vegas.
 

ILLmaticS0ldier

Member
Original Poster
Agreed! :) The last thing WDW needs is another proliferation of characters, especially ones that aren't originally Disney. If these Marvel characters go anywhere in Orlando (which IMHO they shouldn't) keep them at the Studios. I'd hate to see Spidey climbing all over SSE and swinging from window to window on Main Street. And that's not to say Marvel should go in the Studios. DHS has an identity crisis and making it a superhero park is not the way to solve it.


Well as far as I know disney wants to keep both brands seperate and with that being said I don't think were going to see Spiderman at the Magic Kingdom just like we don't see Darth Vader in the Magic Kingdom. The best place to put the Marvel franchise is in DHS because it already has Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Not to mention they can go in the opposite direction and make attractions based on the Movies instead of the comic books. By having one attraction or two doesn't make it a Super Hero park especially if they tie it in with the movie buisness.

I know that Disney uses Pixar at all for gates but thats diffrent Pixar "IS" Disney, especially the last past decade and a half.

:sohappy::D:lol:
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
That may be true, but we also need to keep in mind that there is alot more to the Disney Company than WDW. The theme park division is but one part of the Disney Company, and WDW is but one part of the theme park division. So perhaps, in purchasing Marvel, the Disney Company was not even thinking primarily of WDW. That may be towards the bottom of their list in terms of why the bought Marvel.

As WDW geeks, our first thought, in thinking about Disney, is WDW. But for the execs at the Disney company, WDW may be their last thought. And even if they do put the Marvel characters in WDW, I'm sure they won't be silly enough to have Spiderman swinging from SSE. Apparently, they own the Muppets, too, but all we see of them is one attraction in the back corner of DHS...and rightly so. So we shouldn't all assume that the Magic Kingdom is now going to be infested with Marvel Characters. While I'm sure that the characters will come to WDW at some point, hopefully the powers that be will realize how stupid it would be to try to move Marvel SuperHero Island from IofA, to WDW.

Thanks for bringing some reason to the thread. Not that I agree with you 100%. Theme parks are probably 3rd or 4th on the list of Disney's Marvel priorities. But the WDW vs. Universal consequences are what make the news so fascinating to me.

That said, rest assured Disney will exploit the deal in every way and Marvel characters will appear at WDW soon. My guess is DTD will be the first area Disney uses but that will be just the start. Someday soon the Marvel franchise will seem as much connected to Disney as Pixar is now. Especially to youngsters. And don't think for a second that Disney won't have super heros that girls can relate to also. They will. Spider-woman?
 

JWG

Well-Known Member
I'm not the smartest person I admit. But I don't understand this whole "Marvel doesn't belong in my parks! But Pixar, Indy, Muppets and Star Wars, that's Disney."

Marvel (which isn't Disney yet, lots of approvals to go) will be as much Disney as Pixar or Muppets and more so than Star Wars and Indy. If done well they will fit Disney parks better than a standalone stunt show and single past it's lifespan simulator.
 

Studios Fan

Active Member
I'm not the smartest person I admit. But I don't understand this whole "Marvel doesn't belong in my parks! But Pixar, Indy, Muppets and Star Wars, that's Disney."

Marvel (which isn't Disney yet, lots of approvals to go) will be as much Disney as Pixar or Muppets and more so than Star Wars and Indy. If done well they will fit Disney parks better than a standalone stunt show and single past it's lifespan simulator.

I agree. People sometimes forget SW and IJ are not Disney, although I would like them to be. :)
 

Goofy69

New Member
jt04 you also make a lot of sense. I agree with you that the theme parks were not the main reason in purchasing Marvel. Disney has been moving in this direction for sometime with their station Disney XD showing Spider-Man, X-Men, Iron-Man cartoons, etc. It really wasn't a shock purchasing Marvel now that I think about it.

I also agree that the consequences to Universal are fascinating, but I can see a co-existence of sorts for sometime until everything plays itself out. Placing Marvel characters at DTD or DHS will not look out of sorts at all in my opinion. This will definitely happen sometime in the future regardless of what rights Universal may have today.

To me, this was a very smart business deal if Disney utilizes its new acquisition wisely.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I was also under the impression that it's just for merchandising and that's it.

And no, I am NOT for Disney/Marvel. :lookaroun

Not sure where you got that. There was a story about marvel creatives meeting with the Pixar creatives and there was a lot of excitment. So you will see marvel at every turn. I just read an article that Iger's great uncle created a lot of Marvel's characters. So he obviously understands the content.

This is so much more than merchandising.
 

Walter Yensid

Active Member
That may be true, but we also need to keep in mind that there is alot more to the Disney Company than WDW. The theme park division is but one part of the Disney Company, and WDW is but one part of the theme park division. So perhaps, in purchasing Marvel, the Disney Company was not even thinking primarily of WDW. That may be towards the bottom of their list in terms of why the bought Marvel.

As WDW geeks, our first thought, in thinking about Disney, is WDW. But for the execs at the Disney company, WDW may be their last thought. And even if they do put the Marvel characters in WDW, I'm sure they won't be silly enough to have Spiderman swinging from SSE. Apparently, they own the Muppets, too, but all we see of them is one attraction in the back corner of DHS...and rightly so. So we shouldn't all assume that the Magic Kingdom is now going to be infested with Marvel Characters. While I'm sure that the characters will come to WDW at some point, hopefully the powers that be will realize how stupid it would be to try to move Marvel SuperHero Island from IofA, to WDW.


I agree as well. As I said in another thread, the theme park aspect of this deal is pretty low on the reasons for the purchase. If anyone has read interviews with Iger, he is all about synergy and taking a product that can flow down and across all sales channels. He does not want a movie that makes $50 million in profit and that's it. He wants properties that can succeed and make money across every, single division, every department, every corner of the company.

Take a look at Hannah Montana. Since that show has come out (yes, I know some of of us are not big fans, but she brings in the money), it has brought in over $2 billion in sales across movies, the TV show, retail merchandise, concerts, etc. I have mentioned Cars in my prior post, but it is a great example. A decent performing (but hardly best box office for Pixar) movie that has made over $5 billion since it opened through all of Disney's channels...DVDs, backpacks, toy trucks, t-shirts, etc.

Disney has an advantage over many other companies. These companies have movies or properties that are born, make money in movies and DVDs, and then disappear. Disney has the best set of sales and delivery channels in the industry right now. Plus, Disney is the best at making a character live well beyond its normal life expectancy. Have you met many mice over 80 years old? And who do they buy? Another company who has been able to keep their characters alive for over 60 years and now sports 5,000 characters who can make Disney money in movies, TV, retail/merchandise, ice shows (it will happen), and so on...and on top of it, help with Disney's only weakness...boys.

And, oh yeah, Marvel has sales over $650 million and had profit over $235 million last year (Like those margins?) and have some of the most creative content/character minds outside of Pixar. In addition to synergy, Iger likes to buy stories and talent...why do you think he paid $7 billion for Pixar...hello, Mr. Lassetter.

Yes, the theme park additions will come down the line one day and it is a nice perk that Disney gets to collect money from Universal. But, this is so much bigger than theme parks, believe me.
 

panther726

Member
I would agree with you, and consider this great news as well, if I wasn't realistic enough to know that Universal probably won't be willing to pay their competitor to continue using this product. I would imagine that as soon as Universal can ditch Marvel, they will, thereby allowing Disney to use them wherever they want.

I hope I am wrong, since I like Universal, and I like Marvel's presence there, and don't think Marvel has any place at WDW. My opinion of the best case scenario is where everything remains as it is, and Universal simply pays royalties to Disney to use the Marvel characters in its parks. But just because that's my idea of the ideal scenario, that doesn't mean that's how it's going to go down.

Exactly. Universal will eventually pull Marvel out of Islands of Adventure. Better to have WDW spend millions on building an attraction, then having Disney recieve royalties on doing nothing.

I also think they should add to the confusion at DHS and throw the Marvel characters in. They might have such a big mess, that it all fixes itself! :shrug:
 

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