Nintendo partnering with Universal to make attractions.

lazyboy97o

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You are being pedantic yes, but I will be as well. You wrote in bold as if it was a logical conclusion that someone founding a company in 1989 must be dead. ;) There are plenty of people who have founded companies older than that who are still alive today. The founder passing away is not because it was founded in 1989.
1889. Not 1989. Nintendo was just over 90 years old when they released Donkey Kong in 1981.
 

Mike S

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Tom Morrow

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Gotta say from what I see of Nintendo world so far call me unimpressed not so much with the aesthetics but with the attractions. I mean the DK coaster looks meh at best, and the Mario ride is a mid tier ride for me.

I think Epic will be a park of some great attractions and some big misses. They clearly spent money in some areas and went cheap in others.

I agree. Though I have not been to USJ or USH to experience the open lands, I feel like they missed the mark with their Nintendo attractions. With both Mario Kart and the DK Coaster, they seemed to try too hard focusing on mimicking a gameplay mechanic on a ride. But I (and I feel like I can safely say) most people didn't want that. I want fun rides themed to the world of the games, not rides that mimic gameplay elements at the expense of being a more fun ride.
 

andre85

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I agree. Though I have not been to USJ or USH to experience the open lands, I feel like they missed the mark with their Nintendo attractions. With both Mario Kart and the DK Coaster, they seemed to try too hard focusing on mimicking a gameplay mechanic on a ride. But I (and I feel like I can safely say) most people didn't want that. I want fun rides themed to the world of the games, not rides that mimic gameplay elements at the expense of being a more fun ride.

This is how I feel too. The games are already games; why try to emulate that IRL? That being said, while the Mario Kart ride isn't what I dreamed, I think it's still a lot of fun on its own terms, even if I think it could be improved
 

celluloid

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DK was never going to be an E ticket. Just a fun scale family thrill. If someone was expecting Thunder Mountain, they were going to be dissapointed. (I wish though)
While Mario Kart may not be the thrill people want. Next door it is there, and it is an E ticket draw and scale.

The entire park is opening with more dark rides, coasters and E tickets, and more supporting entertainment/venues and fully realized landscapes than theme parks ever have in their opening year.

It is going to be just fine.
 

DarkMetroid567

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DK was never going to be an E ticket. Just a fun scale family thrill. If someone was expecting Thunder Mountain, they were going to be dissapointed. (I wish though)
While Mario Kart may not be the thrill people want. Next door it is there, and it is an E ticket draw and scale.

The entire park is opening with more dark rides, coasters and E tickets, and more supporting entertainment/venues and fully realized landscapes than theme parks ever have in their opening year.

It is going to be just fine.
Agreed, but it definitely puts more pressure on Monsters and Ministry to be good rides. If either of the two don’t live up to expectations, there’s going to be issues.
 

Tom Morrow

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The entire park is opening with more dark rides, coasters and E tickets, and more supporting entertainment/venues and fully realized landscapes than theme parks ever have in their opening year.

Is this really true though? This seems comparable to IOA at opening.
 

celluloid

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Is this really true though? This seems comparable to IOA at opening.
IOA was a great opening but in terms of Dark Rides opened with two. Spidey and Cat in The Hat.

The three(dragons was dueling)Major Coasters were the big tickets outside of spidey. Jurassic Park obviously was a big ticket. The rest of the appeal was having water rides.
This will have Mario, Monsters and Potter with major dark rides.
More coasters thst include family ones than IOA was offering in 1999. This includes three family shorter/smaller thrill levels.
Entertainment at IOA included Trike, Potter and Sindbad but other shows fell flat and did not last.

EPIC also has more lower height requirement options with its opening day ride attractions than IOA did

After EPIC, IOA would be the second strongest opening year for a theme park line up post MK.

This is not even counting the opening year night time show, dragon drones etc...
 
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Tom Morrow

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I also feel like they aimed a little too kid oriented with the Nintendo land and rides, though I suspect this is more due to Nintendo not fully grasping its customer base than Universal's fault. Nintendo aims to be the child and family friendly video game company but they seem to forget that the games are fun for everyone and they have 45 years of nostalgia behind them.
 

ToTBellHop

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I also feel like they aimed a little too kid oriented with the Nintendo land and rides, though I suspect this is more due to Nintendo not fully grasping its customer base than Universal's fault. Nintendo aims to be the child and family friendly video game company but they seem to forget that the games are fun for everyone and they have 45 years of nostalgia behind them.
If they build a Zelda land, hopefully Nintendo will allow that to skew older.
 

BrianLo

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DK was never going to be an E ticket. Just a fun scale family thrill. If someone was expecting Thunder Mountain, they were going to be dissapointed. (I wish though)
While Mario Kart may not be the thrill people want. Next door it is there, and it is an E ticket draw and scale.

The entire park is opening with more dark rides, coasters and E tickets, and more supporting entertainment/venues and fully realized landscapes than theme parks ever have in their opening year.

It is going to be just fine.

Here’s my issue with this line of thinking. We always say this about Universal. Don’t worry, the next thing will for sure be great…

Occasionally it is, often it isn’t. I find cynicism on Disney is so high on these forums my expectations are in the basement. Universal has the opposite problem around these parts.

I have my ticket for the hype train, but I’m refusing to board this time. I’d be very, very surprised if one of Ministry or Monsters doesn’t hit. But it’s becoming clear why they feel so pressured to add another attraction for Nintendo. It was clearly miscalculated. As charming and as cute I find it, because I actually do like it, apparent flaws and all.
 

networkpro

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I guess it comes down to expectation.
To me this park has a split personality. It’s half anmusement and half Theme park. To me Universal is starting to lean too heavy on partially themed outdoor coasters. They also are leaning on a few amusement park attractions to heavily. From what I’ve heard and seen a lot of the dollars in this park were spent in 2 areas but Potter is on another level from a budgetary perspective. And since people look critically at Disney parks I’ll do the same here. Universal and IOA are starting to feel like they need lots of loving. I mean Jesus what’s going on at universal. It’s as if Epic is eating up the maintenance budget of the rest of the parks. Just got back from Universal and underwhelmed is an understatement .

If you look at the forcast for the parent corporations bread and butter operations, Comcast Cable, its not very cheery. They road the peak of the wave a bit too far before diversifying and its losing its inertia.
 

celluloid

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Here’s my issue with this line of thinking. We always say this about Universal. Don’t worry, the next thing will for sure be great…

Occasionally it is, often it isn’t. I find cynicism on Disney is so high on these forums my expectations are in the basement. Universal has the opposite problem around these parts.

I have my ticket for the hype train, but I’m refusing to board this time. I’d be very, very surprised if one of Ministry or Monsters doesn’t hit. But it’s becoming clear why they feel so pressured to add another attraction for Nintendo. It was clearly miscalculated. As charming and as cute I find it, because I actually do like it, apparent flaws and all.
You can find flaws and enjoy something at the same time. You don't have to justify it.
Hagrids and Velocicoaster back to back were great and Minions is good enough for what it is. DreamWorks for me as a replacement is a meh.
So the last 8 years certainly have more wins then fails in consistency right? Not sure I follow you.
An entirely new theme park has three big scale Dark Rides, two Spiderman/FJ level of efforts with subjectivity aside.

I know people tend not to love Mario here but it is definitely is a winner overall. Think Frozen Forever After or Gringotts more than Forbidden Journey if it helps you feel better for comparison.


I guess it comes down to expectation.
To me this park has a split personality. It’s half anmusement and half Theme park. To me Universal is starting to lean too heavy on partially themed outdoor coasters. They also are leaning on a few amusement park attractions to heavily. From what I’ve heard and seen a lot of the dollars in this park were spent in 2 areas but Potter is on another level from a budgetary perspective. And since people look critically at Disney parks I’ll do the same here. Universal and IOA are starting to feel like they need lots of loving. I mean Jesus what’s going on at universal. It’s as if Epic is eating up the maintenance budget of the rest of the parks. Just got back from Universal and underwhelmed is an understatement .

This is fair to say but not limited to EPIC. It is an industry shift. Many parks want to please the people who want themed environments as well as the thrills. The trend is to theme coasters now. You even see it at Disney with Seven Dwarfs' Mine Train, Guardians, Tron, Slinky, Monsters Inc, etc... Most rides at Disney now are more thrill-based than ever. Even the dark rides are rarely slow movers for big additions.
New builds are mostly coasters. Some are still themed, and some certainly more than others, but very few by Disney's past standards. They are typically coasters in the dark or around oversized props. There is a constant way back and forth it seems now instead of just dark rides and immersive venues, as much as I want that. And the new attractions that Disney does build few and far inbetween are odd placemaking rushed choices, which is against their speciality.
Even Sea World and Busch Gardens parks have suffered under this balance to thrill to a degree. Those parks were never Disney or Universal but they did have much better showmanship and scale than they typically build now. Kraken was a fun Sea World Thrill coaster, but Journey to Atlantis and Bermuda Triangle/Wild Artic and Questor,/Akbar's Adventure Tours at Busch Gardens Tampa were very ambitious and elevated it from just being a coaster thrill park.

Your second point is very evident. Upkeep at Uni is slipping up again in operations, and I imagine EPIC is a bit to blame for that neglect. Some good news is that Kong's outdoor portion is finally getting the attention to bring that scene back.
 
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BrianLo

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You can find flaws and enjoy something at the same time. You don't have to justify it.
Hagrids and Velocicoaster back to back were great and Minions is good enough for what it is. DreamWorks for me as a replacement is a meh.
So the last 8 years certainly have more wins then fails in consistency right?

Villains is really not good… You picked a fairly non complimentary timeframe as you just cut off Kong but included Fallon and Fast.

And I’m also including Beijing here… which let’s just call it what it is, a bad park with one successful impressive new ride. Epic would be hard pressed to not beat that benchmark.

Not sure I follow you.
An entirely new theme park has three big scale Dark Rides, two Spiderman/FJ level of efforts with subjectivity aside.

This is kind of the minimum, is it not? I don’t need examples of how other parks were underbuilt before, those were largely below minimum standards. Technically even US Beijing, which I don’t have nice things to say, attempted four big dark rides.

As I said, if both remaining rides hit in a grand way, I will be extremely complimentary to this lineup. It’s a lot kind of riding on how those rides are perceived.


I know people tend not to love Mario here but it is definitely is a winner overall. Think Frozen Forever After or Gringotts more than Forbidden Journey if it helps you feel better for comparison.

I’ve ridden Mario. I’m definitely not as low on it as others and greatly prefer it to Gringotts. FEA is a good comparator for my personal opinion. I have a tolerance and acceptance for Nintendo being goofy Nintendo. But it is an example of being better in our heads than reality produced. I actually think the land turned out excellently. I just wish they hadn’t carbon copied USJ space constraints into their white paper park. I’m not poo-pooing this park, just holding back my exuberance card until we see what they actually deliver. I really want one of these two rides to be in contention for my top ten worldwide list if I’m going to walk away from Epic with boundless praise.
 

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