Next Gen Coming to TOT and Star Tours!!

[ToTBellHop]

I don't think anyone is going to WDW to touch 'honey' or honk a horn in the Winnie the Pooh queue. I bet most people planning trips don't know or care about those features when they pick WDW as a vacation destination.

But these latest decisions are catering to the lowest common denominator, and (compared to what you can do on a smartphone or Wii these days) aren't that impressive. It just dumbs down the parks and detracts from the immersive atmosphere that everyone can (could) enjoy.

And yet, little kids LOVE the hunny and the hunny bees. And parents smile when their kids are having fun (and leaving the parents alone for 5 minutes). In 2012, kids won't stand still in queue lines for 30 minutes. They need to be entertained (heck, so do the adults). Right or wrong, America in 2012 is impatient. We need to be entertained by something flashy every 5 seconds.

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

And yet, little kids LOVE the hunny and the hunny bees. And parents smile when their kids are having fun (and leaving the parents alone for 5 minutes). In 2012, kids won't stand still in queue lines for 30 minutes. They need to be entertained (heck, so do the adults). Right or wrong, America in 2012 is impatient. We need to be entertained by something flashy every 5 seconds.

Sadly, there's really no argument against that point. I just wish the flashiness didn't have to come at the expense of theme execution (Space Mountain's queue is where I think the impact is the worst, as you no longer feel like you're in a quiet space station, but rather a cartoony arcade of 1999 video games).

 

[jumblue]

I'm beginning to think the xPass check-in system is going to be similar to the system they were testing at the EPCOT entrance awhile back, though hopefully more themed to the area.

This could be the first round of those little RFID readers going in, though I feel it might be early if they're rolling out this feature next year...

 

[RSoxNo1]

I don't think anyone is going to WDW to touch 'honey' or honk a horn in the Winnie the Pooh queue. I bet most people planning trips don't know or care about those features when they pick WDW as a vacation destination.

But these latest decisions are catering to the lowest common denominator, and (compared to what you can do on a smartphone or Wii these days) aren't that impressive. It just dumbs down the parks and detracts from the immersive atmosphere that everyone can (could) enjoy.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, the rides get people to go to Disney, but it's the memorable experiences that get them to back. Those memorable experiences have previously manifested themselves largely through excellent cast members/characters, but are almost entirely linked to these types of "magical" moments. It seems with Next Gen Disney is almost trying to schedule out these Magical Moments.

 

[HMF]

Oh good, they already ruined the foreboding atmospheric buildup to the Haunted Mansion. Now they get to wreck the creepy atmosphere in the :Tower of Terror too.

 

[HMButler79]

Then I don't like the current rumors very much. Is it management's intention to completely destroy the atmosphere, ambiance, and details that Walt would have cherished most?[/QUOTE]

It it forces you to pay to stay at the Grand Fla., to then pay for Next Gen FPs,for them to make money........ then...........YES. But all this started back when Toad closed.......

 

[HMButler79]

Walt died 5 years before WDW even opened...we don't really know what he wanted for WDW in 2012, over 45 years later. However, we do know that Disney has always and continues to want to make money, and most of the current guests at WDW love the new HM queue (anecdotally, at least, judging from their response). Turns out, WDW has more than enough rides for the average guest, so all they have to do is just keep everything running and introduce some 21st century technology and people will be wowed into returning. Most of us, of course, feel differently, but it all is apparently good for profits.

Ummmm......I believe we DO know since the resort was run by his same philosophy by Nunis for DECADES thereafter. So PLEASE......

and most of the current guests at WDW love the new HM queue

Actually they don't since alot of them do nto get any of the refrences and wonder why they went that long way. if they DO like it, it's because they don't know any better.

Turns out, WDW has more than enough rides for the average guest,

Yet when DCA 2.0 finishes. DCA and DL will have MORE rides than WDWs "4 Parks 1 World" COMBINES. Pleeeeeeeeeeasse...........

 

[HMButler79]

And yet, little kids LOVE the hunny and the hunny bees

Kids also love cardboard boxes decorated w/ crayons. That dosen't mean WDW should be full of them. I DON'T CARE what someone else's brats love. It's how it affects the REST of the parkgoing experience and theme for the REST of us. And that is why DL and DCA and UO are succeding. They are not catering to emotionally fragile pre-schoolers w/ daycare activities.

 

[wm49rs]

And yet, little kids LOVE the hunny and the hunny bees

Kids also love cardboard boxes decorated w/ crayons. That dosen't mean WDW should be full of them. I DON'T CARE what someone else's brats love. It's how it affects the REST of the parkgoing experience and theme for the REST of us. And that is why DL and DCA and UO are succeding. They are not catering to emotionally fragile pre-schoolers w/ daycare activities.

So all children who like the Winnie the Pooh queue fall under this category?

 

[HMButler79]

And yet, little kids LOVE the hunny and the hunny bees. And parents smile when their kids are having fun (and leaving the parents alone for 5 minutes). In 2012, kids won't stand still in queue lines for 30 minutes. They need to be entertained (heck, so do the adults). Right or wrong, America in 2012 is impatient. We need to be entertained by something flashy every 5 seconds.

TOUGH and TOO BAD. they need to DEAL with it. How do you think WE survived waiting 60min for Dumbo? (In the old queue that was just umbrellas w/ no AC). THE HORROR It's a theme park. There will be waits PERIOD. And with Next Gen there'll be MORE. If you don't wanna wait in any line watch all the attractions on YouTube.

 

[HMButler79]

So all children who like the Winnie the Pooh queue fall under this category?[/QUOTE]

If that's what TDO wants us to believe............. then............and since they ARE all day care center games........then...............

 

[wm49rs]

So all children who like the Winnie the Pooh queue fall under this category?[/QUOTE]

If that's what TDO wants us to believe............. then............and since they ARE all day care center games........then...............

I don't see TDO saying that here. Just you.

 

[HMButler79]

Too late...Epcot already has coloring at the Kidcot stations! :lol:

Good post. WDW is for everyone, not just kids.

But that's NOT how TDO and WDI-FL see it. And THAT'S the problem. If it was still for everyone i'd still be going to that place with the rotating dance floor, 70s/80s music, improv comedy and Kunglaloosh's. Oh wait...........

 

[googilycub]

Ummmm......I believe we DO know since the resort was run by his same philosophy by Nunis for DECADES thereafter. So PLEASE......

Walt would also have no issues lighting up a cigarette indoors next to a child, so lets stop taking every thing he did in the 1960s as gospel, OK.

Times change, what is considered accepted behavior changes, peoples tastes change.....No one has any idea how Walt's ideas or philosophy would have changed or evolved with almost 50 more years of experience and knowledge.

 

[HMButler79]

Walt would also have no issues lighting up a cigarette indoors next to a child, so lets stop taking every thing he did in the 1960s as gospel, OK.

Times change, what is considered accepted behavior changes, peoples tastes change.....No one has any idea how Walt's ideas or philosophy would have changed or evolved with almost 50 more years of experience and knowledge.

his successors used the SAME EXACT philosophy he set down, the same standards teh current WDC LOVES extolling while doing the exact opposite (remember 100 Years of Magic?), from 1966-1995 when the "old guard" left and the consultants were brought in. Only Nunis was left. Again, completly absurd when the parks were run by Nunis, Lindquist, Dominguez, VanFrance, Weiss, for DECADES the same way from 1966 on.... DL (and others) are succeding because they are returning back to the princliples and standards Walt laid out 56yos ago. :brick:

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm actually pretty sure that if Walt were still alive, at the ripe old age of 110, he wouldn't care about WDW at all...if he could even remember that he had theme parks!

We are all entitled to our opinions on WDW. If you are really that angry about how they are running the parks, either stage a coup or head down to Universal and enjoy Harry Potter followed by such highly-themed marvels as Dr. Doom's Fearfall, Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rockit, and The High in the Sky Seuss Trolley Train Ride. Meanwhile, parents will like seeing the likes of this:

 

[googilycub]

TOUGH and TOO BAD. they need to DEAL with it. How do you think WE survived waiting 60min for Dumbo? (In the old queue that was just umbrellas w/ no AC). THE HORROR It's a theme park. There will be waits PERIOD. And with Next Gen there'll be MORE. If you don't wanna wait in any line watch all the attractions on YouTube.

Oh please....I am so tired of the "that is what we had to deal with" comments. Using that same logic, none of us should have air conditioning in our homes, since our grandparents just dealt with the heat, none of us should have cell phones, since our parents just dealt with being out of contact when away from their home phone, and so on.

It is amazing how many people on hear say over and over about what Walt would want, how Walt would do things, and yet forget one of his most famous quotes.

"keep moving forward"

 

[HMButler79]

Oh please....I am so tired of the "that is what we had to deal with" comments. Using that same logic, none of us should have air conditioning in our homes, since our grandparents just dealt with the heat, none of us should have cell phones, since our parents just dealt with being out of contact when away from their home phone, and so on.

It is amazing how many people on hear say over and over about what Walt would want, how Walt would do things, and yet forget one of his most famous quotes.

"keep moving forward"

For GOOD....and REAL progress. Not "Omg, look at our shiny new toys. Look what WE can do w/ one bill!!"

 

[HMButler79]

I'm actually pretty sure that if Walt were still alive, at the ripe old age of 110, he wouldn't care about WDW at all...if he could even remember that he had theme parks!

We are all entitled to our opinions on WDW. If you are really that angry about how they are running the parks, either stage a coup or head down to Universal and enjoy Harry Potter followed by such highly-themed marvels as Dr. Doom's Fearfall, Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rockit, and The High in the Sky Seuss Trolley Train Ride. Meanwhile, parents will like seeing the likes of this:

yea cause THAT's what guests are traveling MILES to see. :snore: A decadent WDI-FL Speak n Spell/Simon Tomb. I bet there was a 7hr wait the day it opened! Oh wait there wasn't and it was universally panned online. :hurl:

 

[ToTBellHop]

yea cause THAT's what guests are traveling MILES to see. :snore: A decadent WDI-FL Speak n Spell/Simon Tomb. I bet there was a 7hr wait the day it opened! Oh wait there wasn't and it was universally panned online. :hurl:

You don't think parents drive 100s of miles to see their kids having fun?

You clearly aren't a parent then.

And it wasn't universally panned. It was panned by some, appreciated as a novelty by most, and loved by a few.