danlb_2000
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The permit related to the extra land specifically says that the new wetland impact will not come from the conservation area.
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New WDW resorts--no time soon? but...
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The permit related to the extra land specifically says that the new wetland impact will not come from the conservation area.
Disnee4Me
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100% agree with this. A fifth park is needed before a new resort. I haven't been in 6 years (going in December) but all I keep reading about is how crowded it has gotten at the parks, and that will be no fun. Add a fifth resort or expand DHS to get more people to stay there/go there before you add another resort.
Horizons '83
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Well that's just not true... If you plan to go during peek times (Easter, SB, Xmas, etc) it will be VERY crowded as it has been for decades. You can easily find times of the year where its not very crowded and have a fantastic time. Heck you can even go durning peek times and have a blast, just depends on the attitude and scheduling of the person.
AEfx
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The portions of the year with lower attendance simply aren't there like they used to. Between all the off-season discounts, things like SWW and F&WF, Halloween/Xmas parties, etc. - WDW really has no true "slow" season anymore.
Wouldn't be good for journey times though.
This route is a park to park link. Not a scenic railway.
Animaniac93-98
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Correct. At best you get a few days here and there of lower attendence, but any prolonged "season" of lower crowds simply does not exist anymore. At least for MK.
And that's the old version. Surpassed by Wilderness Way.
Cyprus Point. Buffalo Junction. Wilderness Junction. The areas been a hot bed of proposals since the 70s.
raymusiccity
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The 'River Country' DVC seems to have the most turn key plans of any other proposal. I think the discussions on several other Disney web sites contain many other views and elevations, including a very attractive 'swimming hole' ! I'm willing to bet there wouldn't be any problem selling points for this first class resort, located halfway between the Lodge and campgrounds. Plenty of 'views' for Disney to up charge: Fireworks, forest, pool, beach, etc.
doctornick
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The trip is certainly long enough as is, but I think a single stop wouldn't be a bad thing. Maybe even a single stop that is in between two different resorts, services both of them. Just seems like a good area to put a new resort, if they wanted to build one -- relatively central and could be marketed as a monorail resort without impacting the already heavily used capacity of the MK resort line.
I'm talking longer term here, as I don't think there needs to be any immediate addition of rooms.
raven
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That relates to the purchased land.
MaryJaneP
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Let's see, does it make sense to add more rooms and attract more guests without making any commensurate increase in rides at the park that these additional guests could want to see? Is it possibly that the construction time for rooms is much shorter than the construction time for rides? Or is it that none of the planned rooms can hold 7 or more guests? As long as the math of room income > ticket income, it seems a foregone conclusion that WDW will build more rooms. Not like anyone is unhappy with the wait times.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Yes, the Mira Lago plot they purchased is to offset wetland impacts, but none of these impacts will come from the WMCA (Wilderness Managment Conservation Area).
Unless and until resort capacity is at 90%+ year-round, Disney is best served by spending its funds on park expansion. And I don't mean shoehorning more rides into a park's existing footprint, unless there is lots of unutilized acreage in a park. Personally, I would love to see a 5th gate added, but only after the much discussed deficiencies are addressed at the other parks. Of the 2/3 of the total purchased acreage that was designated for development, I estimate about 8,000 acres is available. Not sure how much of that is actually available given wetland conservation restrictions. But having worked for a state environmental agency for 10 years, I'm sure that if Disney brass wanted to obtain exemptions from SFWMD and/or the Florida Legislature, they could... and would.
aladdin2007
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they have already started ripping trees out at Wilderness Lodge, for the start of its glorious cabins Im guessing
. You can now see the entire boat dock from the pool areas and such. This really has nothing to do with the ongoing conversation here at the moment per say, but just mentioning it.
raven
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I'm not talking about the Wilderness Lodge or Fort Wilderness area. I'm talking about property wide unused areas.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I wasn't either, so I am totally lost now. Going back to the beginning you said...
"As for building into conservation areas, this would be a good reason why the company recently purchased offsite wetland property. Extra land elsewhere frees up onsite land previously makes for conservation area."
I was just pointing out that the recently purchased offsite land will NOT be used to allow them to build into the WMCA, but instead to build on wetlands outside of the WMCA.
raven
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GhostHost1000
Premium Member
enhance/expand existing parks, create a 5th gate(?), then build new resorts
I think the value resorts and tiny dvc studio rooms could use some doubling of size as well (2 rooms into 1) but I doubt that'll ever happen
I think the value resorts and tiny dvc studio rooms could use some doubling of size as well (2 rooms into 1) but I doubt that'll ever happen
Im in favor of park expansion and 5th gate. We just returned and I overheard more people on this trip complaining about wait times and crowds then I have ever heard on any previous trips. I saw more CM's dealing with people complaining about a wait time or why FP+ was so long. The poor CM's working TSMM mostly. When the FP+ lines nearly goes back to One Mans Dream, it just looks bad.
FP+/MM+ have done nothing to improve wait times (like so many people said they would). I think more of the casual visitors are starting to realize that the bands dont create the magical experience the company sells you on. Most first time visitors have a good trip but leave with the impression that lines are simply too long and the parks are always crowded. The problem has been, and continues to be attraction capacity. And when they finish Avatar and Star Wars Lands, Im sure they will allow more people into the parks than they currently do, so that will just offset any improvements.
FP+/MM+ have done nothing to improve wait times (like so many people said they would). I think more of the casual visitors are starting to realize that the bands dont create the magical experience the company sells you on. Most first time visitors have a good trip but leave with the impression that lines are simply too long and the parks are always crowded. The problem has been, and continues to be attraction capacity. And when they finish Avatar and Star Wars Lands, Im sure they will allow more people into the parks than they currently do, so that will just offset any improvements.
ABQ
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I agree with most of what you said, however, this part got me thinking. In order for them to allow more people in the parks, you first have to have more supply of people. Without building out more rooms, or filling every truly available room, where are more people coming from? Unless opening of these news lands instantly draws more people that would otherwise not be at WDW at all, you would have less people elsewhere within the parks. I'm not saying that won't happen, just wondering if that truly is the expectation. Will there suddenly be all sorts of Star Wars fans in the studios that wouldn't be guests of the parks otherwise? Same for Avatar fans? This is all just something I'm throwing out there, not necessarily at you specifically @wdisney9000