News New Theater to be built at the Magic Kingdom - now cancelled?

Dranth

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Is he ever out of the spotlight?! If you’re a child growing up pretty much anywhere in the world, you will be exposed to Mickey Mouse before long. He’s among the most iconic and ubiquitous characters of any genre out there.
Could just be me but until the shorts that started up in 2013, I don't remember him having much of a presence outside the parks for a good while there. However, I freely admit that may just be that I wasn’t paying attention. Either way it is going to be a VERY long time before any character is even remotely as recognizable.
 

LittleBuford

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Could just be me but until the shorts that started up in 2013, I don't remember him having much of a presence outside the parks for a good while there. However, I freely admit that may just be that I wasn’t paying attention. Either way it is going to be a VERY long time before any character is even remotely as recognizable.
The newer generation of shorts are an interesting reminder that Mickey went for decades (in fact, most of his existence) without shorts being made of him and yet didn’t fade one bit from public consciousness. I think toys and merchandise are a more meaningful (and steady) measure of his prominence.
 

Disney Analyst

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The newer generation of shorts are an interesting reminder that Mickey went for decades (in fact, most of his existence) without shorts being made of him and yet didn’t fade one bit from public consciousness. I think toys and merchandise are a more meaningful (and steady) measure of his prominence.

The shorts aside Mickey had shows on Disney junior and stuff I think?
 

brb1006

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The newer generation of shorts are an interesting reminder that Mickey went for decades (in fact, most of his existence) without shorts being made of him and yet didn’t fade one bit from public consciousness. I think toys and merchandise are a more meaningful (and steady) measure of his prominence.
Does anybody remember "Mickey Mouse Works" from 1999? It was Disney's attempt at making newer animated shorts starring Mickey & Friends focused on their modern depictions. These were later shown on House of Mouse and is where Tress MacNeille started becoming the default voice of Daisy Duck. These were aimed at a general audience like other animated media starring Mickey Mouse.


After Mickey Mouse Works and House of Mouse ended, Disney decided to create Mickey Mouse Clubhouse which was aimed at the preschool demographic in 2006. It eventually became insanely popular and became Disney Junior's (formerly "Playhouse Disney") flagship show with Mickey Mouse Clubhouse getting retooled three times to remove the "Interactive element" with a spin-off starring Minnie Mouse. Alongside kicking the tires for future Disney Jr shows that while aimed at younger audiences, was good enough for older people to watch (Sofia the First and Doc McStuffins being another of Disney Jr's flagships shows during the 2010s).

For the general audience though, there was "Mickey, Donald & Goofy: The Three Musketeers" from 2004 which was a direct to video film (and closest Disney gotten to an actual Mickey Mouse animated film).
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Disney wouldn't fully go back to making newer animated content starring Mickey for general audiences until the creation of the Paul Rudish shorts in 2013.
 
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mikejs78

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Everyone is assuming that Universal will knock it out of the park with EU. And they very well might.

But Universal has had many misses as well as hits in the last decade. Sure, you have Hagrids but you also have Fast and Furious. Yes, there's Gringotts but there is also race through New York.
 

wdrive

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I cannot see how Disney won’t be at least slightly concerned about the new park. Even if it’s a bomb and gets half the attendance of the other two Universal parks, a significant proportion of guests that visit the new park will be taking that extra day from their Disney World section of their vacation. That is millions of lost guests for Disney.
 

Animaniac93-98

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I cannot see how Disney won’t be at least slightly concerned about the new park. Even if it’s a bomb and gets half the attendance of the other two Universal parks, a significant proportion of guests that visit the new park will be taking that extra day from their Disney World section of their vacation. That is millions of lost guests for Disney.

It's also a matter of public perception and media attention.

"Universal's new theme park" is easier to hype than "We finally finished PLAY! Pavilion a decade after we announced it"

Disney benefitted from being first to open MGM Studios before USF and Animal Kingdom before IoA. They don't have that this time.
 

the_rich

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Everyone is assuming that Universal will knock it out of the park with EU. And they very well might.

But Universal has had many misses as well as hits in the last decade. Sure, you have Hagrids but you also have Fast and Furious. Yes, there's Gringotts but there is also race through New York.
I will say that the mario kart ride looks terrible. It's way way to slow moving.
 

JoeCamel

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Everyone is assuming that Universal will knock it out of the park with EU. And they very well might.

But Universal has had many misses as well as hits in the last decade. Sure, you have Hagrids but you also have Fast and Furious. Yes, there's Gringotts but there is also race through New York.
They will fill it to the gills just on being new, probably ride for at least two years on that alone.
What do F&F and Fallon have in common that Potter does not?
 

Sir_Cliff

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Second, video games just don’t have the penetration that other media does.
Every time I see people claiming Mario and Nintendo is some kind of IP to end all IPs it makes me think that if you're into video games and surrounded by people who are into them it must seem like that. As someone who doesn't fall into the category, the IP and its characters are at best a very hazy presence in my consciousness and not something I really come across often in popular culture or even among friends or their kids all that much in the same way as something like Potter, Marvel, or even Mickey. I'd even venture to say The Simpsons as an IP has a lot more recognition than Mario.

Doesn't mean it's not a huge IP that has the potential to be massive for Universal. My impression is just that people who are into it don't quite realise how aloof those who aren't into it are about all the different worlds and characters being represented. You almost can't avoid know the basics of Potter or Marvel, and I say that as someone who has next to no direct engagement of either.

They will fill it to the gills just on being new, probably ride for at least two years on that alone.
Well, they said that about IOA, DCA, and Disneyland Paris. That's not to say that Epic Universe will open like any of them, but I'm always cautious about the assumption new parks will automatically be popular.
 

No Name

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Could just be me but until the shorts that started up in 2013, I don't remember him having much of a presence outside the parks for a good while there. However, I freely admit that may just be that I wasn’t paying attention. Either way it is going to be a VERY long time before any character is even remotely as recognizable.
He’s been in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and it’s follow-ups since 2006 which is what I imagine a lot more people are familiar with.
 

No Name

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Every time I see people claiming Mario and Nintendo is some kind of IP to end all IPs it makes me think that if you're into video games and surrounded by people who are into them it must seem like that.
This also explains why a bunch of people who spend their energy discussing a Disney resort on an online forum think that Mickey is unquestionably much more recognizable and popular than Mario. I’m not saying one is more than the other, in fact I think it’s pretty baseless to say that and we’d really need a poll to figure it out.
 

UNCgolf

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Second, video games just don’t have the penetration that other media does.

This is the argument I was making earlier. Video games are a massive industry overall, but individual games/IPs aren't on the same level as other media in terms of market penetration/cultural reach. The gaming industry is very segmented -- even just among the population who plays games, millions and millions don't care about any Nintendo titles.
 

LittleBuford

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This also explains why a bunch of people who spend their energy discussing a Disney resort on an online forum think that Mickey is unquestionably much more recognizable and popular than Mario. I’m not saying one is more than the other, in fact I think it’s pretty baseless to say that and we’d really need a poll to figure it out.
I think it's safe to assume that Mickey is globally a more recognisable figure than Mario. I'm not saying that because I'm a Disney fan, but because I'm very, very sure that it's objectively true based on Mickey's near-century-long history and the extent of his reach, which has left few corners of the inhabited world untouched. To me, it's as self-evidently true as the statement that Coca-Cola (which I don't drink or like) is globally a more recognised brand than PG Tips (a very well-known brand of British tea that I drink daily).
 

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