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Nubs70
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Or you end up with Peter Griffen using a .44 as a fly swatter
For protection from criminals wearing armor?
If this guy had driven a modified vehicle through a crowd killing 50 plus people would we be demanding sensible auto legislation?
AEfx
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Here's the thing. This is always such a touchy subject to talk about, but I'll try. WDW is fully capable of stopping a lone wolf like both these crimes currently appear to be. There is a reason that WDW security seems to be profiling single males using the no-bag lane for the enhanced version. What WDW is vulnerable to is a coordinated attack - so anything done in response is likely going to be for the benefit of making people feel more secure, I don't think either of these events actually impact the safety of WDW itself any more than it already has been.
Kman
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While Canada is certainly not perfect, I will say that every time I hear one of these stories I am thankful that I live in this beautiful country. We are a nation that has a huge number of weapons per capita however we have a rational approach similar to other western nations such as Australia and the UK. As stated in other posts- there is no need for anyone to have an assault rifle unless they are in the military. Further, our country, and others, prove that there is no need for citizens to be armed in public at all. You can count on this tragedy in Orlando to spiral into an argument between groups like the NRA and their supporters and those who favour stronger gun laws. We will continue to hear the ridiculous justifications that if more people had weapons on hand this sort of thing would not happen. That is a myth and has never been (nor will it ever be) proven true. Looking from the outside in it becomes more and more clear that Americans live in a heightened level of fear of outside forces and their own neighbours. Most of the time it is unwarranted and it always has a negative effect on society. Obviously Canada does not garner the same level of attention or hatred around the world (nor do other similar countries) and much of the hatred towards the US is misguided and/or driven by warped religious indoctrination. By the very nature of being the world's only superpower the US will naturally attract more nutjobs and negative interest from people/countries/governments like this but it seems like society is turning on itself. I am very thankful that I live in a nation that is generally respectful of everyone and where fear does not dominate the discussion. Unfortunately much of the politics in the US supports the opposite line of thinking and doesn't help to find solutions but rather descends into partisan fighting with seemingly no concern for the "greater good".
While normally a Conservative voter I was encouraged by our latest election of the national Liberal party as it made a statement. Our Conservative party tried to drag Canadian politics into the realm of fear mongering and suspicion during the campaign last summer. It was pathetic and myself and many other Conservative voters were disgusted and dismayed that our politicians would even consider going there. While somewhat nervous of the newly elected Liberal party's fiscal policies, I was somewhat relieved and felt Canadian voters took back their nation so to speak and collectively said that we weren't willing to debase ourselves with fear mongering and hatred. My amateur assessment of US society is that at some point it will need to recognize the same thing and start making some changes to begin eliminating some of these issues. Naturally many people do think this way already but the politicians seem unwilling to embrace it. We love the States and love visiting but it is very sad to watch these events happen over and over again with no solution in sight.
While normally a Conservative voter I was encouraged by our latest election of the national Liberal party as it made a statement. Our Conservative party tried to drag Canadian politics into the realm of fear mongering and suspicion during the campaign last summer. It was pathetic and myself and many other Conservative voters were disgusted and dismayed that our politicians would even consider going there. While somewhat nervous of the newly elected Liberal party's fiscal policies, I was somewhat relieved and felt Canadian voters took back their nation so to speak and collectively said that we weren't willing to debase ourselves with fear mongering and hatred. My amateur assessment of US society is that at some point it will need to recognize the same thing and start making some changes to begin eliminating some of these issues. Naturally many people do think this way already but the politicians seem unwilling to embrace it. We love the States and love visiting but it is very sad to watch these events happen over and over again with no solution in sight.
Matt_Black
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And maybe we should all carry around industrial quantities of insecticide in case criminals start training swarms of wasps to carry out their insidious plots.
Can i get that in a TSA approved size can ?
ParksAndPixels
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
Either way this morning's events were sad and dispicable. It does not matter who is targeted, it was a cowardly act. Unfortunately, this shows that the issue is a matter of national security and terrorism as much as any other threat. I don't believe an end to all these tragedies is realistically near. Prayers for the families involved!
Or bats with barbed wire to protect us from the mind numbed idiots they are training.
AEfx
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If that were happening 100+ times a year? Yeah, I think we would. I know we would. We have certainly enacted legislation around things for much less that have done much less damage. If it reached epidemic levels, for example, we would forcing manufacturers to find a way that was difficult to defeat to prevent a vehicle from being able to accelerate to top speed so quickly.
You are right. My bad. I've forgotten how effective all the drug and DWI legislation has been. We hardly ever see those tragedies anymore.
AEfx
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If you guys could just stop talking with those hard "a's" and "o's" I'd consider moving there...
(Sorry, attempt at injecting some levity LOL)
NelsonRD
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It does happen. It happened near my hometown when an off duty police officer shot a disgruntled employee seeking revenge on his employer. You just do not hear about those stories as much as the media prefers doom and gloom stories.
Andrew_Ryan
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You're right. Judging by all the laws people break, we should probably just repeal all laws.
Sarcasm party!
I like your style.
AEfx
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On the former, bad legislation is bad legislation - that doesn't mean it's all bad, on the latter - drunk driving, particularly among youth, is way down over the past few decades since stricter laws have been in place. You can't eliminate everything, but you sure can reduce it with sensible measures.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
There are already gun laws in place. This guy was a security officer that went through all the proper checks to obtain and carry a weapon. He had a special G-level permit that security officers can obtain.
ISIS is now claiming responsibility. But let's be distracted about gun laws and avoid the truth. There is a sick ideology that will always find ways to kill westerners no matter what guns laws are in place. London, Paris, Brussels, San Bernadino, Orlando.
ISIS is now claiming responsibility. But let's be distracted about gun laws and avoid the truth. There is a sick ideology that will always find ways to kill westerners no matter what guns laws are in place. London, Paris, Brussels, San Bernadino, Orlando.
GymLeaderPhil
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There was a change to security screenings today and will be ramping up to become compulsory. WDW1974 mentioned months ago that outside food and beverage would be prohibited and this will be introduced shortly as well.