News New security measures

[DManRightHere]

during halloween horror nights the crowds at the security checkpoints are INSANE!!!!!!

Do the lines back up into the actual parking structures?

They should go ahead and build a structure for security at the bottom of the ramp in city walk to relieve congestion in the lobby like area for the parking decks.

 

[ABQ]

So, does any one have a picture of the signs prior to entry at the park that detail what may or will be required regarding security checks that they can post or is there a picture already posted in this thread? Thank you.

This one?

Goes with this news post from 12/17/2015
http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...h-ban-on-toy-guns-and-costumes-for-adults.htm

 

[mm121]

Do the lines back up into the actual parking structures?

They should go ahead and build a structure for security at the bottom of the ramp in city walk to relieve congestion in the lobby like area for the parking decks.

Ive only been there a few times but no ive never seen it back up into the actual parking area butthe paths are really long

and for hhn the metal detectors were at the parks themselves so it was only bag checks in the garage, most likely so people could take banned items back to their cars and to spread out the different parts of the process

 

[mm121]

Here's a plan I made that would enable separated pedestrian traffic flows at the front gate of MK, allowing for the screening of resort monorail/resort boat guest and non-TTC bus guests at the front gate.

while allowing the majority of the screening to be complete for day parking guests to be done at a rebuilt TTC.

definitely wouldnt be easy or cheap, but not impossible

 

[DisneyMom51]

This one?

Goes with this news post from 12/17/2015
http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...h-ban-on-toy-guns-and-costumes-for-adults.htm

Thank you for the information; you saved me from wasting my time and money. I wanted to see what was stated that security was allowed to do for one to gain entrance. Actually this first requirement is truncated on this sign. On the list of rules it actually states: "All persons, bags, parcels, clothing and other items may be subject to screening/security checks at the Park entrances and also within the parks."

 

[PhotoDave219]

Disney could have the best security of any theme park in the world - only it would cost too much and it would be too inconvenient for the guests.
In short, the El Al model. (Israel's national airline)

Anything short of that is just theatre....

 

[DisneyMom51]

Disney could have the best security of any theme park in the world - only it would cost too much and it would be too inconvenient for the guests.
In short, the El Al model. (Israel's national airline)

Anything short of that is just theatre....

Agree!

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Here's a plan I made that would enable separated pedestrian traffic flows at the front gate of MK, allowing for the screening of resort monorail/resort boat guest and non-TTC bus guests at the front gate.

while allowing the majority of the screening to be complete for day parking guests to be done at a rebuilt TTC.

definitely wouldnt be easy or cheap, but not impossible

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The metal detectors are easy and cheap.

 

[mm121]

The metal detectors are easy and cheap.

but just putting up a giant wall of metal detectors while possible definitely ruins the "this is a magical place" vibe especially that close to the front gate, and doing metal detectors alone without any sort of bag scanners continues to leave a hole in the security theater.

 

[flynnibus]

Thank you for the information; you saved me from wasting my time and money. I wanted to see what was stated that security was allowed to do for one to gain entrance. Actually this first requirement is truncated on this sign. On the list of rules it actually states: "All persons, bags, parcels, clothing and other items may be subject to screening/security checks at the Park entrances and also within the parks."

Which is basically the exact same as it was before. Drama much ?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

but just putting up a giant wall of metal detectors while possible definitely ruins the "this is a magical place" vibe especially that close to the front gate...

Only if you let it.

 

[DisneyMom51]

Which is basically the exact same as it was before. Drama much ?

No, not the same. The sign only states that screening is required of persons and bags prior to entry. The actual rule states that this also includes all clothing, all items, and can be done at any time, even after entry into the park.

Additionally, at this time what is their definition of screening? Pat downs? Removing articles of clothing including coats, belts, and shoes? If not now, when?
Will there be something similar to the TSA Pre(check) Screening for low risk frequent visitors? I'd welcome this and would continue to visit Disney if this were put in place to be done prior to visiting.
Is Disney security allowed to profile like Israel Airlines (El Al)? If not, what are you going to think about their security when a lone, older Caucasian woman is "chosen" to go through the metal detector screening process while a pair of or a lone younger Middle Eastern or African American man just breezes by? El Al is the safest airline on Earth because not only do they racially profile, they also question passengers and are specially trained to learn if someone is lying and/or hiding something.

As it has been said before, randomly selecting people to go through a metal detector does almost nothing to increase the security of the parks. Would you consider this acceptable security measures if you were flying with these same people? Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Mo (and I am not implying the the racist version for those so easily offended) at the TSA checkpoints? Not any different than you being with 40 people in one monorail car and a total of 204 on the entire train. How about up to 112 people on the articulated buses and 600 people on each ferry? A lot of people in a small, confined space before ANY security measures and the opportunity for a terrorist to have a large amount of casualties. And no, by my stating this, I didn't just give any one this idea, however, what I did was make you aware of it.
Let's face it, little old ladies don't get caught with shoe bombs. There is a certain small group of people that commit acts of terrorism and time is being wasted checking low-risk individuals. Since we unfortunately live in PC Land, run every one through screening--and do it prior to the transportation process--or no one. There is not a middle ground that should be acceptable. What is being done now is BS. Disney may or may not miss my business, but they can save some money by not sending me a Christmas card every year.

 

[Andrew C]

No, not the same. The sign only states that screening is required of persons and bags prior to entry. The actual rule states that this also includes all clothing, all items, and can be done at any time, even after entry into the park.

Additionally, at this time what is their definition of screening? Pat downs? Removing articles of clothing including coats, belts, and shoes? If not now, when?
Will there be something similar to the TSA Pre(check) Screening for low risk frequent visitors? I'd welcome this and would continue to visit Disney if this were put in place to be done prior to visiting.
Is Disney security allowed to profile like Israel Airlines (El Al)? If not, what are you going to think about their security when a lone, older Caucasian woman is "chosen" to go through the metal detector screening process while a pair of or a lone younger Middle Eastern or African American man just breezes by? El Al is the safest airline on Earth because not only do they racially profile, they also question passengers and are specially trained to learn if someone is lying and/or hiding something.

As it has been said before, randomly selecting people to go through a metal detector does almost nothing to increase the security of the parks. Would you consider this acceptable security measures if you were flying with these same people? Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Mo at the TSA checkpoints? Not any different than you being with 40 people in one monorail car and a total of 204 on the entire train. How about up to 112 people on the articulated buses and 600 people on each ferry? A lot of people in a small, confined space before ANY security measures and the opportunity for a terrorist to have a large amount of casualties. And no, by my stating this, I didn't just give any one this idea, however, what I did was make you aware of it.
Let's face it, little old ladies don't get caught with shoe bombs. There is a certain small group of people that commit acts of terrorism and time is being wasted checking low-risk individuals. Since we unfortunately live in PC Land, run every one through screening--and do it prior to the transportation process--or no one. There is not a middle ground that should be acceptable. What is being done now is BS. Disney may or may not miss my business, but they can save some money by not sending me a Christmas card every year.

You are getting all of that out of this sign? I think I understand your privacy concerns but I also think you are being a bit paranoid. However, as you essentially have stated, this is a personal choice for you and you are entitled to it.

 

[ford91exploder]

To expand upon security at the hotels.....
Guests will go through a full screening at the hotel. They will then have their bands scanned prior to boarding the bus or monorail. From there, the bus will have a security team member on board to vouch that everyone has been fully vetted. Next, the doors will be sealed with tamper proof tape or welded shut. Upon arrival at your destination the seal will be broken and you'll be escorted in via a separate entrance. While this process may seem longer, once you are at your destination you will be allowed to go right through without any further inconvenience. I hope this clarifies some of the new procedures.

Sounds like you worked with 'Special Weapons'.

 

[s8film40]

No, not the same. The sign only states that screening is required of persons and bags prior to entry. The actual rule states that this also includes all clothing, all items, and can be done at any time, even after entry into the park.

Additionally, at this time what is their definition of screening? Pat downs? Removing articles of clothing including coats, belts, and shoes? If not now, when?
Will there be something similar to the TSA Pre(check) Screening for low risk frequent visitors? I'd welcome this and would continue to visit Disney if this were put in place to be done prior to visiting.
Is Disney security allowed to profile like Israel Airlines (El Al)? If not, what are you going to think about their security when a lone, older Caucasian woman is "chosen" to go through the metal detector screening process while a pair of or a lone younger Middle Eastern or African American man just breezes by? El Al is the safest airline on Earth because not only do they racially profile, they also question passengers and are specially trained to learn if someone is lying and/or hiding something.

As it has been said before, randomly selecting people to go through a metal detector does almost nothing to increase the security of the parks. Would you consider this acceptable security measures if you were flying with these same people? Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Mo (and I am not implying the the racist version for those so easily offended) at the TSA checkpoints? Not any different than you being with 40 people in one monorail car and a total of 204 on the entire train. How about up to 112 people on the articulated buses and 600 people on each ferry? A lot of people in a small, confined space before ANY security measures and the opportunity for a terrorist to have a large amount of casualties. And no, by my stating this, I didn't just give any one this idea, however, what I did was make you aware of it.
Let's face it, little old ladies don't get caught with shoe bombs. There is a certain small group of people that commit acts of terrorism and time is being wasted checking low-risk individuals. Since we unfortunately live in PC Land, run every one through screening--and do it prior to the transportation process--or no one. There is not a middle ground that should be acceptable. What is being done now is BS. Disney may or may not miss my business, but they can save some money by not sending me a Christmas card every year.

Random selection would actually be more effective at the airport, it really is completely meaningless at WDW. If you take a gun to an airport there are legal consequences. If you happen to be selected and are caught with a gun at WDW you just say "sorry I didn't know, I'll take it back to my car", and then of course you can simply try again.

To me this whole situation is kind of a catch 22. I'm actually happy with how they have implemented the security as it hasn't really created any substantial extra wait time. The other side of that however is that if it adds no benefit to security what's the point of doing it at all. So I guess ultimately I would prefer they do nothing but if they have to do something I would prefer something that is useless but not inconvenient. It's just frustrating to witness that level of stupidity.

 

[flynnibus]

No, not the same. The sign only states that screening is required of persons and bags prior to entry. The actual rule states that this also includes all clothing, all items, and can be done at any time, even after entry into the park.

You and your stuff was subject to search before and could be denied entry. End of story. It was that way before, and it was that way now. The rest is drama.

They didn't need a sign to make that true. You could deny their requests, and they could ask you to leave or force you to leave. The same as it is now.

 

[DisneyMom51]

You and your stuff was subject to search before and could be denied entry. End of story. It was that way before, and it was that way now. The rest is drama.

They didn't need a sign to make that true. You could deny their requests, and they could ask you to leave or force you to leave. The same as it is now.

As far as I recall, this is not correct. There wasn't any sign stating that my person was subject to search, including clothing. Prior, only bags could be searched and I never carried any after they began implementation of bag search. Many times I had bulging front button pockets in my shorts and was never once asked to open and/or empty them--and our family visited WDW at bare minimum at least one day each month and actually several day visits monthly were more the norm. In cold weather, I wore bulky coats that were never once asked to be opened and/or removed. I am not against them implementing security measures, what I am concerned about is that "screening" is not being done prior to actual WDW transportation to the park(s). I'm not even sure that's feasible with the ease of entry at some of the parks, such as walking to and from the Contemporary.
My main concern is that all the major parks in the Orlando area in coordination with each other, implemented these procedures on the exact same day due to either a viable threat or that they just felt they had to do something regarding security no matter how inadequate and inefficient. If there truly was/is a viable threat (which is possible most any time and any place where large amounts of people congregate), are we so satisfied with their security/screening process in that it would still not dissuade us from visiting? I'm not any more or less paranoid about threats at Disney than Disney is. In my opinion, limited screening at the Disney park's main entrances is only a triage solution with minimal expense to a bigger problem.

 

[flynnibus]

As far as I recall, this is not correct. There wasn't any sign stating that my person was subject to search, including clothing

THEY DON'T NEED A SIGN! It's private property that you are conditionally being allowed to visit.

 

[EOD K9]

Sounds like you worked with 'Special Weapons'.

But no And Tactics.

 

[peter11435]

As far as I recall, this is not correct. There wasn't any sign stating that my person was subject to search, including clothing. Prior, only bags could be searched and I never carried any after they began implementation of bag search. Many times I had bulging front button pockets in my shorts and was never once asked to open and/or empty them--and our family visited WDW at bare minimum at least one day each month and actually several day visits monthly were more the norm. In cold weather, I wore bulky coats that were never once asked to be opened and/or removed. I am not against them implementing security measures, what I am concerned about is that "screening" is not being done prior to actual WDW transportation to the park(s). I'm not even sure that's feasible with the ease of entry at some of the parks, such as walking to and from the Contemporary.
My main concern is that all the major parks in the Orlando area in coordination with each other, implemented these procedures on the exact same day due to either a viable threat or that they just felt they had to do something regarding security no matter how inadequate and inefficient. If there truly was/is a viable threat (which is possible most any time and any place where large amounts of people congregate), are we so satisfied with their security/screening process in that it would still not dissuade us from visiting? I'm not any more or less paranoid about threats at Disney than Disney is. In my opinion, limited screening at the Disney park's main entrances is only a triage solution with minimal expense to a bigger problem.

I have myself and I have seen others be asked to show what was in a bulging pocket. I was asked what was in my pocket while entering Epcot with a camera in my pocket in 2004.