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[KeeKee]

when I arrived at Epcot tonight, roughly 50% of those coming thru security check were being routed thru the scanners. The line was relatively short and after they checked my camera backpack I was not routed to the scanners. It was not clear in that brief period what the selection criteria for the scanner was.

This whole procedure has so dampened my desire to visit WDW. It just makes it feel really dangerous to me. Don't like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know all who will say that makes more room for somebody else. I plan to explore the Central Florida area. A lot of changes have happened while I've been spending my time at Disney.

 

[matt9112]

Let me tell you a story from my days in security at a maximum security facility. A lady and her young son showed up with the kid having what looked like a kid's plastic gun. They went through our scanner and the kid set off the warning. We xrayed the gun and sure enough a small real one inside. Yep, it's done and the lesson learned is don't make an assumption about any toy.

So, among the scenarios at the theme parks is that you have to assume that anyone could enter the park, buy one of the toy guns, exit the park, modify the toy and enter with an operating weapon or concealed in the toy. Yep, security people think that way.

The parks have had some threat that caused all of the Orlando parks to do the same thing on the same day. The best way to handle the scenario above is to stop sales of all toy weapons.

thats a prison.....far cry from a theme park....much less incentive.

 

[matt9112]

And on that optimistic thought, Happy Holidays, everbuddy!

i only celebrate one =P

 

[matt9112]

I'm ok with the bubble guns being banned...I actually cover the front of my camera walking through the stream of them for fear of one popping on the lens.

yeah....i dont know why people go to theme parks with cameras costing thousands...memory's must be better.

 

[matt9112]

Armed camp, yes, the policemen there are indeed armed to the teeth and beyond; which honestly makes me happy, sometimes i just want to take a picture of the Orange County sherrif deputies and send them a thank you card thanking them for their wonderful vigilence at keeping us safe

what if i show up armed to the teeth? do i get pictures?

 

[matt9112]

We were thinking the same thing today... Lots of them from the shows are heard around the park.

The one thing about Indy staying virtually the same for so long is it actually has a ton of gun violence you don't see elsewhere in the parks anymore.

We hit mk and Epcot tommorow

do you need a tissue for all that "violence"? guns are not bad and or evil they are inanimate objects. and in the show you reference they are used by a hero character to defend himself from bad guys who want to do him harm.

 

[matt9112]

Are you joking?

http://www.toysrus.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=70824626

face palm.....nerf has semi automatic magazine fed rifles now....

 

[G00fyDad]

yeah....i dont know why people go to theme parks with cameras costing thousands...memory's must be better.

Some of these people aren't with families at Disney ignoring that family taking pictures and living life through a lens while on vacation. Some of these people actually go to Disney for the art and take pictures because it's their medium. Either professionally, semi professionally, or just an enthusiastic amateur. Granted, I'm not in any of those categories, but I understand the desire. Those people will have very expensive systems and setups.

 

[matt9112]

The concept of a police state, paranoia, trading in civil liberties for the illusion of security from a far away threat? Sounds very Un-American to me...

hit the nail on the head @PhotoDave219 people are quick to give up everything this nation was built on....to FEEL SAFE...its a scary place when people believe the government has there interests any more than the guy three houses down.

 

[G00fyDad]

hit the nail on the head @PhotoDave219 people are quick to give up everything this nation was built on....to FEEL SAFE...its a scary place when people believe the government has there interests any more than the guy three houses down.

Playing devil's advocate here:

Give me a scenario or a solution to keep people safe inside the parks that doesn't involve security measures at the front or allowing every single individual who wants to carry a firearm in this country to walk through the front gate to gun down a potential threat. Give me one other possible solution that is viable. I don't see having security at the front of Walt Disney World as me giving up civil liberties.

And please don't simply say that security at the front doesn't work. I'm not talking about the merits of or failures of security at the front of the park. I'm asking for another option.

 

[matt9112]

Playing devil's advocate here:

Give me a scenario or a solution to keep people safe inside the parks that doesn't involve security measures at the front or allowing every single individual who wants to carry a firearm in this country to walk through the front gate to gun down a potential threat. Give me one other possible solution that is viable. I don't see having security at the front of Walt Disney World as me giving up civil liberties.

And please don't simply say that security at the front doesn't work. I'm not talking about the merits of or failures of security at the front of the park. I'm asking for another option.

to be frank nothing....but im not saying this is directly infringing on civil liberty's its a private business (if anything an airport infringes more) due to it being a public way of sorts. there are inherent dangers in life...not just guns and terrorists....car accidents,weather systems,earth quakes maybe a house fire? literary thousands of things that "could" harm you and as an individual you make decisions to minimize these risks....you turn your Christmas tree lights off at night maybe? or purchase a car based on advanced safety features? more so you drive a particular way likely with some level of safety in mind...but these are all individual decisions made by people to some degree. This is different than the government deciding it needs (example) all of our cell phone call logs to make us safer...or to ban firearms and related items because they MAY be use in an unsafe and deadly manner. all I can do is make smart decisions for myself and attempt to do the same for those around me and vice versa. bad things happen and as people we should learn and grow to be safe but making decisions that infringe on not only civil liberty's but expand the power gap between have and have nots leads to collapse...at least it has for every other empire on earth. you might want to google civil forfeiture and no knock raids and you can find out just how much your elected officials care about you really quickly.

the answer to you're question is nothing...

 

[BringMeTheHoriz]

to be frank nothing....but im not saying this is directly infringing on civil liberty's its a private business (if anything an airport infringes more) due to it being a public way of sorts. there are inherent dangers in life...not just guns and terrorists....car accidents,weather systems,earth quakes maybe a house fire? literary thousands of things that "could" harm you and as an individual you make decisions to minimize these risks....you turn your Christmas tree lights off at night maybe? or purchase a car based on advanced safety features? more so you drive a particular way likely with some level of safety in mind...but these are all individual decisions made by people to some degree. This is different than the government deciding it needs (example) all of our cell phone call logs to make us safer...or to ban firearms and related items because they MAY be use in an unsafe and deadly manner. all I can do is make smart decisions for myself and attempt to do the same for those around me and vice versa. bad things happen and as people we should learn and grow to be safe but making decisions that infringe on not only civil liberty's but expand the power gap between have and have nots leads to collapse...at least it has for every other empire on earth. you might want to google civil forfeiture and no knock raids and you can find out just how much your elected officials care about you really quickly.

the answer to you're question is nothing...

Yes, and one person's turning off the Christmas lights is another's not going to Disney.

Yes bad things happen, but they have a higher chance of happening in certain places. Disney is a high value target, anybody with any sense knows this. The metal detectors help Disney retain those guests who would otherwise stay at home because of this (unfortunately true) fact. Disney is a private entity, it can screen whoever it wants and therefore this has nothing to do with civil liberties. Don't like it? Exercise your actual civil liberty and stay home

 

[flynnibus]

do you need a tissue for all that "violence"? guns are not bad and or evil they are inanimate objects. and in the show you reference they are used by a hero character to defend himself from bad guys who want to do him harm.

uhh.. whatever. You clearly have no clue the conversation was about.. because I'm not bothered by any of it. It's commentary compared to what the norm is today in the rest of the park or attractions.

 

[AEfx]

Yes bad things happen, but they have a higher chance of happening in certain places. Disney is a high value target, anybody with any sense knows this. The metal detectors help Disney retain those guests who would otherwise stay at home because of this (unfortunately true) fact.

Wow, you had a lot of gulps of that Kool-Aid, fella.

Can you please provide evidence that WDW is a high value target? Because frankly, I don't think it really is - if there were a high value target, it would be Disneyland. WDW is far too isolated and "new" comparatively, if one were making comparisons. Just for practical reasons - it would be 20 minutes before the Orlando Sentinel or whomever got a chopper in the air to document it - whereas in the greater Los Angeles area, at any given time a helicopter would only have to do an about face to see it.

Can you tell us about all these violent incidents that have occurred that should make those rational thinking among us fearful?

In any case, no one stayed home from WDW because they weren't put through metal detectors. You find me one post from someone saying that and I'll buy you a pair of tickets to TFA.

As the saner, more rational thinking folks have explained to the fear mongers in this thread - if the "bad guys" who supposedly find WDW a "high value target" are already at the front gates, it's already time for a big old Bill Paxton "Game over, man!" because no Mickey-Mouse Rent-A-Cops are going to be able to stop it.

What you are championing is to give folks a false sense of security based on the false sense of fear that some of them feel. Giving in to exactly what the "bad guys" want.

 

[draybook]

 

[KeithVH]

I'm doing my best to fit in "nuke them from orbit . . ." in relation to those who would threaten park security but I got nuthin'.

 

[BringMeTheHoriz]

Wow, you had a lot of gulps of that Kool-Aid, fella.

Can you please provide evidence that WDW is a high value target? Because frankly, I don't think it really is - if there were a high value target, it would be Disneyland. WDW is far too isolated and "new" comparatively, if one were making comparisons. Just for practical reasons - it would be 20 minutes before the Orlando Sentinel or whomever got a chopper in the air to document it - whereas in the greater Los Angeles area, at any given time a helicopter would only have to do an about face to see it.

Can you tell us about all these violent incidents that have occurred that should make those rational thinking among us fearful?

In any case, no one stayed home from WDW because they weren't put through metal detectors. You find me one post from someone saying that and I'll buy you a pair of tickets to TFA.

As the saner, more rational thinking folks have explained to the fear mongers in this thread - if the "bad guys" who supposedly find WDW a "high value target" are already at the front gates, it's already time for a big old Bill Paxton "Game over, man!" because no Mickey-Mouse Rent-A-Cops are going to be able to stop it.

What you are championing is to give folks a false sense of security based on the false sense of fear that some of them feel. Giving in to exactly what the "bad guys" want.

Your last paragraph is exactly what I'm championing. Im not saying I like it, Im not saying I agree with it, I'm just stepping out of my Disney fanboi shoes and into the shoes of the people running security at Disney. Based on everything I've seen since my numerous trips to the parks, what you can see is all a show.

Nobody has made a direct PUBLIC threat against WDW, agreed. What they have threatened is the American way of life, which Disney is 100% all about. Freedom, fair tales, dreams, all of it is the exact target of violent groups the world over. Drop the rhetoric and use some common sense...any rational person could step back and see Disney for the target it is, or very well could be. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

DL being a greater target than WDW? Way to put words into my mouth, because I never mentioned it. But while we're on the subject, you think anybody with malicious intent really gives a flying you-know-what about which is more important? Absolutely not. Both have a large number of people in small spaces on a daily basis...they're both of equal value.

The people heading Disney security are the absolute best in the business who worked in the best intelligence agencies prior to going to the mouse. I trust in their abilities, especially in what they're doing beyond the 'show' at the front gates

 

[s8film40]

The people heading Disney security are the absolute best in the business who worked in the best intelligence agencies prior to going to the mouse. I trust in their abilities, especially in what they're doing beyond the 'show' at the front gates

Can you explain why you believe this?

 

[draybook]

Your last paragraph is exactly what I'm championing. Im not saying I like it, Im not saying I agree with it, I'm just stepping out of my Disney fanboi shoes and into the shoes of the people running security at Disney. Based on everything I've seen since my numerous trips to the parks, what you can see is all a show.

Nobody has made a direct PUBLIC threat against WDW, agreed. What they have threatened is the American way of life, which Disney is 100% all about. Freedom, fair tales, dreams, all of it is the exact target of violent groups the world over. Drop the rhetoric and use some common sense...any rational person could step back and see Disney for the target it is, or very well could be. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

DL being a greater target than WDW? Way to put words into my mouth, because I never mentioned it. But while we're on the subject, you think anybody with malicious intent really gives a flying you-know-what about which is more important? Absolutely not. Both have a large number of people in small spaces on a daily basis...they're both of equal value.

The people heading Disney security are the absolute best in the business who worked in the best intelligence agencies prior to going to the mouse. I trust in their abilities, especially in what they're doing beyond the 'show' at the front gates

Except that it would be much easier and efficient for them to strike outside of the parks. For example; loaded buses, loaded hotel lobbies, loaded ferry boats. But clearly we all know that terrorists don't do any planning...... I'm not poking at you bud, I'm just frustrated with how so many Americans can be such cowering wimps these days.

 

[Matt_Black]

Can you explain why you believe this?

There have been no major incidents at Walt Disney World in it's 45 year history?