News New security measures

Polydweller

Polydweller

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awilliams4 said:
Help me understand this one:

Disney Bans Bubble Guns
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Let me tell you a story from my days in security at a maximum security facility. A lady and her young son showed up with the kid having what looked like a kid's plastic gun. They went through our scanner and the kid set off the warning. We xrayed the gun and sure enough a small real one inside. Yep, it's done and the lesson learned is don't make an assumption about any toy.

So, among the scenarios at the theme parks is that you have to assume that anyone could enter the park, buy one of the toy guns, exit the park, modify the toy and enter with an operating weapon or concealed in the toy. Yep, security people think that way.

The parks have had some threat that caused all of the Orlando parks to do the same thing on the same day. The best way to handle the scenario above is to stop sales of all toy weapons.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
wdwmagic said:
It is far easier to say no to all toy guns, rather than to try and break it down into which type of toy gun could be mistaken for a real one. After dark, and in crowds, anything remotely gun like could be mistaken.
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Which speaks to the competence of their management if they cant be trusted to distinguish between a toy gun which resembles a weapon and a bubble 'gun'. It's like the zero though policies in schools no 'knives' with no distinction being made over a plastic butter knife and a knife made to be used as a weapon.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Polydweller said:
Let me tell you a story from my days in security at a maximum security facility. A lady and her young son showed up with the kid having what looked like a kid's plastic gun. They went through our scanner and the kid set off the warning. We xrayed the gun and sure enough a small real one inside. Yep, it's done and the lesson learned is don't make an assumption about any toy.

So, among the scenarios at the theme parks is that you have to assume that anyone could enter the park, buy one of the toy guns, exit the park, modify the toy and enter with an operating weapon or concealed in the toy. Yep, security people think that way.

The parks have had some threat that caused all of the Orlando parks to do the same thing on the same day. The best way to handle the scenario above is to stop sales of all toy weapons.
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Better ban the sale of pens too, It's easy to make a single shot .22 in a pen casing.
 
yepitsandy

yepitsandy

Active Member
I'm not terribly anti-gun, though there should definitely be a more strict way of getting them (yes, I know criminals will still find a way). That said, I'm fine with this. I'm fine with an airport-level screening for that matter. Does it slow down getting into the park? A little. Could I just leave a few minutes earlier to make up that time? Yes.

Obviously the parks all implemented this today, so there is intelligence we don't know about. And I'm fine with an extra inconvenience for me for them to check it out.

Also, now I don't have to buy a bubble gun when we take my daughter for the first time in July.

I'm also completely confident the costume thing will be changed at least for the parties in September. There might be more of a wait to get in so they can check you.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
dmw said:
But, more importantly, of all of the weapons found, how many were intended for harm on the plan, as opposed to someone just forgot it was in their carry-on or person? The TSA loves to tout how many weapons they found, but, that is not the same as they have prevented a tragedy.
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Those that intended to cause harm DID.
 
awilliams4

awilliams4

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Polydweller said:
Let me tell you a story from my days in security at a maximum security facility. A lady and her young son showed up with the kid having what looked like a kid's plastic gun. They went through our scanner and the kid set off the warning. We xrayed the gun and sure enough a small real one inside. Yep, it's done and the lesson learned is don't make an assumption about any toy.

So, among the scenarios at the theme parks is that you have to assume that anyone could enter the park, buy one of the toy guns, exit the park, modify the toy and enter with an operating weapon or concealed in the toy. Yep, security people think that way.

The parks have had some threat that caused all of the Orlando parks to do the same thing on the same day. The best way to handle the scenario above is to stop sales of all toy weapons.
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I can do that with a Stitch doll from Mickey's Star Trader's too.
 
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kpilcher

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wdwmagic said:
I think this is the key to it all. There is something outside of public knowledge that has forced the parks into doing this. It wasn't a Disney organized plan to do this - it was somehow pushed onto them. This was all done at the very last minute, and with little time for planning.

Now going forward there could be plans to do a proper permanent install that will screen everyone in some way, but this to me is clearly a temporary situation done to meet a specific need.
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Yep. TOO sudden a change for Disney, SeaWorld and Universal to move in lockstep on ANYTHING. There's more we don't know here... and may never know.
 
KeeKee

KeeKee

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I, too, am conflicted about this change. It's just really sad that it's all come down to this; that the "happiest place on earth" has to have a checkpoint out front with this level of scrutiny. Most will adapt, some will no longer visit the parks; but the bottom line is that it is a sad and sobering moment to see this happen. Something has been lost here.

In one sense it doesn't make me feel safer at all because it makes me feel like I'm going into a place that is under such threat that these security measures are necessary. Any moment could be my last. As of this afternoon at least I could still go out in public and go shopping and move around without having to be examined first. I guess maybe that is going to have to do for a while. Still thinking about how I feel about this whole thing. I know I've been angry about the level of inconvenience that the bag checks impose, but this; this is something altogether different. This is something that no amount of fantasy or illusion can make go away. I don't know...
 
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thomas998

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EmilyFrances said:
I think it's funny that they are discontinuing the sale of plastic guns but light sabers are fine. We were just there and there were kids everywhere swinging them around. I guess promoting the new Star Wars film makes it ok. As far as the new security measures, there is going to be a bottle up of people, even more so now, which would give a determined terrorist ample opportunity. Sadly, this won't solve anything. As many have already said, bad guys aren't going to walk through a security check point.
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Why would the terrorist need to get into the park in the first place... The crowds are already substantial to get in now with no metal detectors to slow things down. I imagine they will be even greater now and the terrorist doesn't even need to have a ticket to be blow himself up at the front gate.... In fact a terrorist could probably take out more people and cause more terror blowing up in the crowd waiting to get in than they could inside the park because at the front gate is going to be your biggest group of people in one small confined area.
 
GoTheDistance

GoTheDistance

Member
Toy guns, swords, and weapons of any kind (yes, including light sabers and light up plastic cone things) have not been allowed in Disney College Program housing for years. Toys R Us has not sold toy guns of any kind since before 2012. This part does not phase me in the slightest. Yesterday there were bubble guns and tomorrow there will be bubble fairies or whatever.
 
s8film40

s8film40

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ABQ said:
So when the gates opened for tonight's Christmas party at the Magic Kingdom, there was a stampede of guests and not a single one was randomly selected for metal detection. Methinks the system is far from ready for prime time.
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I really am getting the impression they are doing the bare minimum. Two metal detectors for MK is just silly.

We keep talking about the illusion of security they are creating, I partially wonder if that illusion is directed at whatever government entity suggested this.
 

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