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PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Agreed. And yes, they're still in touch with DC.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
now the best place to attack will be entrance plaza
Lots, The worst one was where a European traveler had explosives planted in his bag as a training exercise and they failed to find/remove the explosives - long story short he was ARRESTED upon arrival by the Brit's and held for several days until the various agencies realized that it was a police error on the originating end not someone smuggling explosives. Why they used REAL explosives for an exercise where it was being placed in an unwitting passengers luggage is beyond me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8441891.stm
Lots, The worst one was where a European traveler had explosives planted in his bag as a training exercise and they failed to find/remove the explosives - long story short he was ARRESTED upon arrival by the Brit's and held for several days until the various agencies realized that it was a police error on the originating end not someone smuggling explosives. Why they used REAL explosives for an exercise where it was being placed in an unwitting passengers luggage is beyond me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8441891.stm
Matt_Black
Well-Known Member
The best security, I think, would be to hire an army of Scottish cabbies.
CaptainAmerica
Well-Known Member
Disney doesn't care about shoplifting.Not a myth....but my understanding is its more to stop shoplifting ect? Someone better versed can answer
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
No it's real term for a real weapon but you need a special BATFE licence to own one, An 'Assault Rifle' has full automatic fire ie hold the trigger down and the rifle fires either a fixed number of rounds or until magazine empty.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
This tactic works very well, The last time it was used was in 1985 in Rome and Vienna, I expect we will be seeing it here before long.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
In a prior life at a unnamed government agency after hours we used to see what we could carry through the metal detector without setting it off
donsullivan
Premium Member
I will never understand people who stand up on a high horse and profess that since anything that's being done will not 100% guarantee 'their' desired result, then nothing should be done at all and it's all just a waste of time or 'theater'. Such a philosophy is completely ridiculous.
Each increase in the security profile of the property is done with a specific goal in mind. My guess is that absolutely nobody who has posted in this thread has any idea what information the Orlando park operators had available to them that prompted today's change. They all made a similar change so it seems they all have the same available information and reacted accordingly.
It seems the usual suspects of that portion of the so-called Disney fan community who believe Disney is incapable of doing anything correctly are just continuing their negative droning and this is the topic of the day for them. I do not understand the concept of a 'fan' who has only negative things to say about that which they claim to be a fan of.
Each increase in the security profile of the property is done with a specific goal in mind. My guess is that absolutely nobody who has posted in this thread has any idea what information the Orlando park operators had available to them that prompted today's change. They all made a similar change so it seems they all have the same available information and reacted accordingly.
It seems the usual suspects of that portion of the so-called Disney fan community who believe Disney is incapable of doing anything correctly are just continuing their negative droning and this is the topic of the day for them. I do not understand the concept of a 'fan' who has only negative things to say about that which they claim to be a fan of.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Kiss that cash cow bye bye
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
So what then is the purpose of checking for contraband if it is not to find contraband? In no other circumstances would the level of failure of these types of measures be considered acceptable. Nobody gets a drivers license with a 10% score. You're not going to keep a job long if you only do 10% of your work. Nobody says 10% on a test is close to passing.
If there is some specific threat then we have been lied to.
You're clearly not paying attention.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Well if the goal is to screen out weapons, you'd want to screen everyone, right?
Doing random checks just doesn't se
Me to be the way to do that.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I am really conflicted on this actually. I see valid points on both sides.
I will admit that I am not sure how much the metal detectors will affect our overall experience at the parks. Is the negative impact for guests going to be that large? I would say pulling the toy guns bothers me more than the metal detectors.
I will admit that I am not sure how much the metal detectors will affect our overall experience at the parks. Is the negative impact for guests going to be that large? I would say pulling the toy guns bothers me more than the metal detectors.
gmajew
Well-Known Member
I am sure it will be like a casino and the security. They have all of that and more in Vegas... This is what has to happen in todays time.
FigmentsFangirl
Well-Known Member
So thanks to one lone idiot with an expired CCW and a gun in his pocket when he should of handed it over at the start when he was caught, we now got this, but apparently according to some sites and twitter this is in the testing phase at MK with small groups at a time going through. And they apparently do use metal detectors at Disneyland for important events. Personsally I have loaded pockets {car keys, money, loose change, wallet, two small pocket knives}.
Personally I'd go with no "guests without bags" entry area and just have everyone go through bag check as it is like at the International Gateway entry wherein there's only a Guests with bags check through, or the walkway path to DHS towards the bathrooms. Man that will suck, you gotta go to the john and you gotta wait in line beforehand.
I understand they want us safde, but whose to stop some nut from harming those waiting to get through the things ? Like others have mentioned, that's a prime target right there!
Personally I'd go with no "guests without bags" entry area and just have everyone go through bag check as it is like at the International Gateway entry wherein there's only a Guests with bags check through, or the walkway path to DHS towards the bathrooms. Man that will suck, you gotta go to the john and you gotta wait in line beforehand.
I understand they want us safde, but whose to stop some nut from harming those waiting to get through the things ? Like others have mentioned, that's a prime target right there!
s8film40
Well-Known Member
I think there are quite a few of us that see that there needs to be a balance to convenience and safety. I think this situation is missing the mark by a long shot. I think there is very little doubt that there will be some changes ahead as they try to find a better balance than this. Hopefully those will get closer to finding a good balance. I personally will never understand people who just blindly accept that what is being done is the right solution. Disney, Universal and government agencies get this stuff wrong all the time, it just isn't an easy task. As a "fan" I see many potential aspects of this that can detract from my experience as a fan with very little benefit. Like I said I don't think anything here is permanent so I will take a wait and see approach. In the mean time my criticism of how this is being handled doesn't make me less a fan if anything more so.
s8film40
Well-Known Member
I think it's safe to say this has absolutely nothing to do with that situation.
TheDisneyBoy
Member
Sad day for America. Thought this was the land of the free and the home of the brave. I think it's ironic that we have attractions (Hall of Presidents and American Adventure) that showcase America fighting to rid itself of the type of tyranny that Disney now has at its gates. These attractions tell us how lucky we are to have the freedoms that America provides, but clearly Disney doesn't want to uphold and respect the 1st (no costumes), 2nd (guns) and 4th Amendments (bag search).
So, let me ask you all this....are they screening the bags of guests staying in the rooms that face the Magic Kingdom? Couldn't someone have a grenade launcher or bazooka in their bags and fire away at the castle? Are they screening you before you get on the monorail? Nope.
All this does is show terrorists we have another "gun free zone" for them to attack. Can't wait to see the cellphone footage of the first person who is "randomly selected" and screams racism or discrimination.
So, let me ask you all this....are they screening the bags of guests staying in the rooms that face the Magic Kingdom? Couldn't someone have a grenade launcher or bazooka in their bags and fire away at the castle? Are they screening you before you get on the monorail? Nope.
All this does is show terrorists we have another "gun free zone" for them to attack. Can't wait to see the cellphone footage of the first person who is "randomly selected" and screams racism or discrimination.