New Roundup Rodeo BBQ sit-down restaurant coming to TSL

lazyboy97o

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I don't disagree here, they really cut too much from GE, one reason it does not draw that much from MK, which was my point. I will add think if they had not wasted the money on the Hotel, and instead put more into the land itself.

Again, my point, thanks

With due respect, this is where we disagree. They added Pandora, which really was a beautiful addition and much needed to AK, and it didn't move the needle that much - and yes they need more as the boat ride is not enough. DHS has added TSL, GE and MMRR and HOPEFULLY a bit more in either animation courtyard or in Indy area(some day...) and that won't matter. Epcot at one time was the biggest draw from MK, and that has long gone since it is now the festival center. No, you won't pull folks from MK, MK is what folks associate with Disney and unfortunately WDW.

Could they do something to add to the other parks to improve them, yes. Will it pull from MK, no.

Quite honestly, I would love to see an ... anti-MK - a villians MK, to see if that would pull from the original
You keep completely ignoring that the other parks physically cannot handle pulling people away from the Magic Kingdom. Even if cultural associations completely shifted so that everyone associated Walt Disney World with Disney’s Hollywood Studios the park couldn’t actually have a large increase in attendance.
 

lazyboy97o

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Exactly. Tokyo still has much closer attendance parity. Universal has managed to equal and sometimes reverse their gates.

Getting a park to 50% of Magic Kingdom's ride roster and saying 'guess we can never close the attendance gap' seems silly. They've never even tried.
EPCOT Center also had a very close parity to the Magic Kingdom.

Disney’s Hollywood Studios, even with shiny new stuff, also isn’t a very accessible park. There is only one ride that almost anyone can experience, Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway, which replaced the previous single ride that was near universally accessible. Toy Story Midway Mania! doesn’t have a height limit but it requires the use of 3D glasses and a repetitive hand motion that can get to those without movement difficulties.
 

mitchk

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Phicinfan

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You keep completely ignoring that the other parks physically cannot handle pulling people away from the Magic Kingdom. Even if cultural associations completely shifted so that everyone associated Walt Disney World with Disney’s Hollywood Studios the park couldn’t actually have a large increase in attendance.
No, that was my original point. In fact go back a page or two and see how I stated can we please give up on this notion that we can add to other parks to reduce strain on MK.

I am all for improving the other parks. I just was pointing out rides are not the only fix. Especially in some of the parks.
Epcot - would love a ride or two more in WS, would have much preferred ride in WoL
DHS - a ride or two add to animation courtyard or Indy area.
AK - would love a redo in Dinosaur area, and one more land - say Australia or such. - God please NOT zootopia.
 

lazyboy97o

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No, that was my original point. In fact go back a page or two and see how I stated can we please give up on this notion that we can add to other parks to reduce strain on MK.
Then you wouldn’t keep pointing to Galaxy’s Edge as evidence of your claim. Not being able to handle more people isn’t proof that you can’t attract people away from somewhere else.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
As usual, this discussion has wandered far afield from its genesis discussing a new table service location themed to Woody's Roundup in the Hollywood Studios Park.

Theme - Pixar Toy Story check

Food choice (from at least its description) - Since it's Woody, reflecting "Woody's Roundup" a 50's style Western cartoon, BBQ fits nicely check (wonder if they'll have a snake in my boot)

Now about those other loquacious diatribes that have attached themselves tangentially, bless your hearts.
 

Phicinfan

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Then you wouldn’t keep pointing to Galaxy’s Edge as evidence of your claim. Not being able to handle more people isn’t proof that you can’t attract people away from somewhere else.
I am wondering if you are bi-polar.
I am not using GE as my only evidence. Heck you even posted that AK and DHS doesn't have the size to really pull crowds from MK.
I am just curious here, are you wanting to extend this?

I also did not say you COULD draw people away. Technically you can.
I AM saying that you won't ever draw enough from MK to make it mean anything, even with more "immersive" lands. Technically speaking a 5th gate potentially drop demand from MK. But it won't happen.
 

BrianLo

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With due respect, this is where we disagree. They added Pandora, which really was a beautiful addition and much needed to AK, and it didn't move the needle that much - and yes they need more as the boat ride is not enough. DHS has added TSL, GE and MMRR and HOPEFULLY a bit more in either animation courtyard or in Indy area(some day...) and that won't matter. Epcot at one time was the biggest draw from MK, and that has long gone since it is now the festival center. No, you won't pull folks from MK, MK is what folks associate with Disney and unfortunately WDW.

Could they do something to add to the other parks to improve them, yes. Will it pull from MK, no.

I still don't think you appreciate how little they are actually trying to catch their parks up. DHS theoretically received the most last decade... and yet...

It gained GE, MMRR and TSL, but lost GMR and the Backlot Tour
Disneyland has gained GE and will soon gain MMRR... and it lost essentially NOTHING. Heck the Railway is actually a better attraction unequivocally.

This is what happened to previously one of the least built and easily the best built parks in Disney's profiles. They really aren't meaningfully closing the gaps. Come back to me when they do with the evidence that it didn't work.
 

Phicinfan

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I still don't think you appreciate how little they are actually trying to catch their parks up. DHS theoretically received the most last decade... and yet...

It gained GE, MMRR and TSL, but lost GMR and the Backlot Tour
Disneyland has gained GE and will soon gain MMRR... and it lost essentially NOTHING. Heck the Railway is actually a better attraction unequivocally.

This is what happened to previously one of the least built and easily the best built parks in Disney's profiles. They really aren't meaningfully closing the gaps. Come back to me when they do with the evidence that it didn't work.
No, again I understand your point you are trying to make. We just disagree. I don't think they could ever really scale up an additional "Land" in any of the other parks that would really pull from MK. First cause they show no intention of doing so, secondly due to lack of size to do so. As has been pointed out by others.

Thus for now, I will maintain my point of view(and I realize it is my point of view), that you simply won't draw from MK. I would add the fact that WDW just jammed Tron in, and I believe I have read some potential other expansion later in MK, that WDW agrees.

Reality is reality. This is like the Epcot discussion on should they have kept Communicor building or not.... Yes they could and maybe should have kept and really used. But they hadn't in quite a while and they decided to remove one.

To me the ONLY way you will ever really draw major capacity from MK, is to add a 5th Gate that is really, really favored. I simply don't see that ever happening.
 

Phicinfan

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I don't think Tron was just jammed in, I think it fits nicely and will be a great addition to Tomorrowland. But that's just imo
I agree in part, as TRON does fit "Tomorrow Land", but this IMO would fit much, much better in DHS for movie themes.
I also am not thrilled having two roller coasters stacked on each other
 

disneygeek90

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I still don't think you appreciate how little they are actually trying to catch their parks up. DHS theoretically received the most last decade... and yet...

It gained GE, MMRR and TSL, but lost GMR and the Backlot Tour
Disneyland has gained GE and will soon gain MMRR... and it lost essentially NOTHING. Heck the Railway is actually a better attraction unequivocally.

This is what happened to previously one of the least built and easily the best built parks in Disney's profiles. They really aren't meaningfully closing the gaps. Come back to me when they do with the evidence that it didn't work.
It's ironic that the park that stretches itself to the very brink of their property lines has found a way to purely add attractions and the place that has more room than God just replaces, replaces, replaces.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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The problem with the single IP lands? If you’re not a big fan, you probably ride the rides and then move on to the next place, skipping shops, shows, and restaurants. This could be why half day park status still exists for DAK and the Studios.
 

ToTBellHop

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The problem with the single IP lands? If you’re not a big fan, you probably ride the rides and then move on to the next place, skipping shops, shows, and restaurants. This could be why half day park status still exists for DAK and the Studios.
If DAK is a half day park for a guest, they don’t like animals.

And if single IP lands belong anywhere, it’s DHS. I may take issue with some of the content, but they absolutely should have built a Star Wars land at DHS, for example.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
The problem with the single IP lands? If you’re not a big fan, you probably ride the rides and then move on to the next place, skipping shops, shows, and restaurants. This could be why half day park status still exists for DAK and the Studios.
That's bad news for Epic Universe then. They'll have only two rides that aren't engulfed in a single-IP land. If you don't like HtTYD, Potter, Classic Monsters, or Nintendo, then it'll just be a half day park.
 

SplashJacket

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That's bad news for Epic Universe then. They'll have only two rides that aren't engulfed in a single-IP land. If you don't like HtTYD, Potter, Classic Monsters, or Nintendo, then it'll just be a half day park.
Arguably Nintendo and Classic Monsters are no more of a single-ip land than Pixar Pier. They’re umbrella lands that covers multiple IPs.
 

UNCgolf

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That's bad news for Epic Universe then. They'll have only two rides that aren't engulfed in a single-IP land. If you don't like HtTYD, Potter, Classic Monsters, or Nintendo, then it'll just be a half day park.

I actually think it is bad news for Epic Universe. It's risky to build a park that consists almost entirely of a handful of IPs, especially if they aren't all mega-IPs. A park that was Harry Potter, Marvel, and Star Wars would probably be just fine.

With that said, Nintendo and Monsters aren't quite single IP lands, although Nintendo is a kind of weird middle area where someone probably has to play Nintendo video games in general to be really interested.

Of course, if the attractions are great, the IP doesn't matter that much in terms of getting people into the park -- it just could create that half-day status if people don't care about anything beyond the attractions.
 

J4546

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The monsters land is what I'm most looking forward to in Eu. Overall the first phase of the park looks cool, but not like amazing imo. Monsters land, Nintendo land, hp land, Raya land, and a couple outlying rides barely makes it seem like an all day park
 

doctornick

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If DAK is a half day park for a guest, they don’t like animals.

And if single IP lands belong anywhere, it’s DHS. I may take issue with some of the content, but they absolutely should have built a Star Wars land at DHS, for example.
I actually think having more single IP lands in DHS would be a good thing in terms of distinguishing it from the other WDW parks.

yes I know there’s Pandora but that feels more like it was inspired by Avatar in terms of the environment instead of being about the movie itself.
 

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