DHS New Roundup Rodeo BBQ sit-down restaurant coming to TSL

[UNCgolf]

Because there are massive expansion plots still? This isn't disneyland, large uses of land do not restrict you from building more rides elsewhere.

There's still a limit to the total amount of land they can use. If they built three more expansions the size of TSL and all of them only have two rides (not to mention no shops and barely any dining, although that will be remedied to an extent when this restaurant opens), the park would probably be about as big as they could make it and would still be seriously lacking in rides.

 

[MisterPenguin]

There's still a limit to the total amount of land they can use. If they built three more expansions the size of TSL and all of them only have two rides, the park would probably be about as big as they could make it and would still be seriously lacking in rides.

That would bring DHS up to 15 rides.

I'm not asking to be challenging or snarky, but what is the right number of rides for "the other three parks" to have to draw the overcrowding of MK into its satellite parks?

Right now, "the other three" generally have 9 rides each (give or take one) while MK has 27. The other three, however, are supposed to have additional drawing power:

• DHS: Live shows
• DAK: (not) a zoo
• EPC: World's Fair / World Showcase.

So, what is the right number of rides each of "the other three" should have?

 

[MisterPenguin]

While the trend du jour is to add rides as part of a whole new 'land' that continues the theme of the ride, what's the alternative?

A new land whose rides are only very loosely based on a very generic theme? A Pixar Pier?

It's a model that Epic Universe (the WDW killer!!) is going to be slavishly following.

Also, keep in mind that Adventure Land only had two rides until a spinner was added.

 

[UNCgolf]

That would bring DHS up to 15 rides.

I'm not asking to be challenging or snarky, but what is the right number of rides for "the other three parks" to have to draw the overcrowding of MK into its satellite parks?

Right now, "the other three" generally have 9 rides each (give or take one) while MK has 27. The other three, however, are supposed to have additional drawing power:

• DHS: Live shows
• DAK: (not) a zoo
• EPC: World's Fair / World Showcase.

So, what is the right number of rides each of "the other three" should have?

I honestly don't know -- but my guess is that if DHS was as large overall as it would be with three more 11 acre expansions, most guests would think 15 rides was not enough.

If they actually added live shows to all of those expansions as well, then the total attraction count moves up. That definitely makes a difference. But they didn't add live shows to either TSL or Galaxy's Edge, and they've now closed the Little Mermaid show, so I'm not sure that live shows are in the plans for additional drawing power for DHS going forward. They've already permanently shuttered some former shows without replacement, and the Indiana Jones Stunt Show seems like it will go eventually for an expansion.

Of course, the lack of shops/restaurants/other things in TSL is part of the problem there too, because those also add capacity. Galaxy's Edge has a lot of that additional capacity.

I think EPCOT worked as well as it did with a lower ride count both because it had so much additional capacity in some of the pavilions (stuff like ImageWorks and the shows at the Land and Motion, plus the aquarium) and because most of the attractions were very long. I think that would still work as a model, but I don't think that's in the cards for DHS.

 

[Purduevian]

I honestly don't know -- but my guess is that if DHS was as large overall as it would be with three more 11 acre expansions, most guests would think 15 rides was not enough.

DHS is currently sitting around 75 acres and has 9 rides (~8.3 acers per ride)
I think people would accept 108 acres with 15 rides (~7.2 acers per ride)

I guess my point it is until the existing expansion pads are used, poor use of space in TSL and lack of rides are independent problems. One can be solved without affecting the other one.

If this was DLR, this would be absolutely horrible since there are almost no expansion pads left for the entire resort, but DHS has plenty of room to grow.

 

[Phicinfan]

I honestly don't know -- but my guess is that if DHS was as large overall as it would be with three more 11 acre expansions, most guests would think 15 rides was not enough.

If they actually added live shows to all of those expansions as well, then the total attraction count moves up. That definitely makes a difference. But they didn't add live shows to either TSL or Galaxy's Edge, and they've now closed the Little Mermaid show, so I'm not sure that live shows are in the plans for additional drawing power for DHS going forward. They've already permanently shuttered some former shows without replacement, and the Indiana Jones Stunt Show seems like it will go eventually for an expansion.

Of course, the lack of shops/restaurants/other things in TSL is part of the problem there too, because those also add capacity. Galaxy's Edge has a lot of that additional capacity.

I think EPCOT worked as well as it did with a lower ride count both because it had so much additional capacity in some of the pavilions (stuff like ImageWorks and the shows at the Land and Motion, plus the aquarium) and because most of the attractions were very long. I think that would still work as a model, but I don't think that's in the cards for DHS.

I am not convinced that adding rides is the only answer. DHS was always my favorite park, especially with the actors on the streets interacting with the guests. More of that, more theming to increase things other than rides would be awesome.

But expanding what they have would be huge as well.

Taking out the Indy stunt show and instead add a dark ride or boat ride Indy style off of Shanghai tech would be huge, and use the parking lot space they were supposedly going to use for SWL.

Updating animation area with some new shows and a few small rides would also be great.

I love the park, I love the movie theme, I can't see why they can't expand that, put a small spinner or other activity over by Muppets as well.

 

[UNCgolf]

I am not convinced that adding rides is the only answer. DHS was always my favorite park, especially with the actors on the streets interacting with the guests. More of that, more theming to increase things other than rides would be awesome.

But expanding what they have would be huge as well.

Taking out the Indy stunt show and instead add a dark ride or boat ride Indy style off of Shanghai tech would be huge, and use the parking lot space they were supposedly going to use for SWL.

Updating animation area with some new shows and a few small rides would also be great.

I love the park, I love the movie theme, I can't see why they can't expand that, put a small spinner or other activity over by Muppets as well.

Oh I agree with this completely -- it's a big part of the reason I probably preferred DHS 20-25 years ago to DHS now. The movie theming was cohesive basically throughout the whole park at that point, from the shops on down.

The park could definitely use more shows and streetmosphere, but I'm not sure current Disney management views that as smart spending. We know they cut a bunch of it from Galaxy's Edge.

 

[J4546]

i kinda like the idea of dhs moving from a studios vibe since there isnt an actual studio there and moving towards a park that has a central theater themed core with MMRR and stage shows and then a bunch of massive immersive lands dedicated to tentpole Studios/IPs like Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, Etc circling around it. But I get its not what everyone wants

 

[UNCgolf]

i kinda like the idea of dhs moving from a studios vibe since there isnt an actual studio there and moving towards a park that has a central theater themed core with MMRR and stage shows and then a bunch of massive immersive lands dedicated to tentpole Studios/IPs like Star Wars, Pixar, Marvel, Etc circling around it. But I get its not what everyone wants

I'm fine with them moving away from the studios vibe because it no longer really makes sense, even though I preferred that version of the park. It's the reason I'm okay with the elimination of the Backlot Tour, despite loving that whole experience.

The issue is that the lands they've built aren't really that immersive, at least to me. Galaxy's Edge is light years better than TSL (which, to be fair, I don't think is trying to be immersive) in that regard, but the lack of shows, street entertainment, etc. is still a problem. GE has a bit of that -- although last time I was there absolutely nothing happened other than a couple of stormtroopers standing around -- but it could definitely use more. Most of the real entertainment in the land requires paying a significant premium to do stuff like the droid and lightsaber builds.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

If you have ever been to Carsland in California I think you can agree that is feels at least twice the size of Toy Story Land, and it is MUCH more engaging...Lots to explore, several attractions, a sit down restaurant you want to be in VS a windowless box dressed like the queue from another ride... I guess if you had never been anywhere else, and DHS is your first Disney theme park, you could think that TSL is great.... But seeing this as the HUGE expansion it was touted to be...after reducing the park down to 5 attractions for years....This was a pretty sad addition, and not nearly up to par with what they did with DCA's Carsland addition. It feels more like DHS's version of Chester and Hester's Dinoland...but with less humor and wit.

Star Wars galaxy’s edge is more the equivalent to Carsland while TSL is equivalent to Avengers campus

 

[Centauri Space Station]

That would bring DHS up to 15 rides.

I'm not asking to be challenging or snarky, but what is the right number of rides for "the other three parks" to have to draw the overcrowding of MK into its satellite parks?

Right now, "the other three" generally have 9 rides each (give or take one) while MK has 27. The other three, however, are supposed to have additional drawing power:

• DHS: Live shows
• DAK: (not) a zoo
• EPC: World's Fair / World Showcase.

So, what is the right number of rides each of "the other three" should have?

Epcot is up to 12 rides

 

[UNCgolf]

While the trend du jour is to add rides as part of a whole new 'land' that continues the theme of the ride, what's the alternative?

A new land whose rides are only very loosely based on a very generic theme? A Pixar Pier?

It's a model that Epic Universe (the WDW killer!!) is going to be slavishly following.

Also, keep in mind that Adventure Land only had two rides until a spinner was added.

This is a good question too and I'm also not sure of the answer.

I think the main problem with building "lands" is that they're really only suitable for a small number of IPs. Star Wars and Pandora work as lands -- Cars does too because it's so divorced from the real world. I don't think Toy Story really does as an IP, which is probably a big part of the problem with TSL. Most IPs aren't big enough and/or don't have enough variety to really work as a huge overall land. I don't think many people would be super interested in something like a Snow White land with two or three rides, shops, and a restaurant all themed to Snow White. And as you mentioned, building something like a "Pixar Land" is likely to come across as a shrug.

The original Disney-MGM was probably a good model for that, actually (and Universal Studios too, I suppose), where it wouldn't necessarily matter if you had two rides next to each other that had absolutely nothing in common because the park itself set the overall theme. That's true of DAK and EPCOT to an extent as well, but the individual overall theme of each park limits what really fits there.

 

[SplashJacket]

This is a good question too and I'm also not sure of the answer.

I think the main problem with building "lands" is that they're really only suitable for a small number of IPs. Star Wars and Pandora work as lands -- Cars does too because it's so divorced from the real world. I don't think Toy Story really does as an IP, which is probably a big part of the problem with TSL. Most IPs aren't big enough and/or don't have enough variety to really work as a huge overall land.

Narnia would be absolutely perfect though!

 

[J4546]

frozen would be a cool major land, crazy they have 3 but none in usa.

 

[UNCgolf]

Narnia would be absolutely perfect though!

Middle-Earth would be even better!

Really any kind of fantasy or sci-fi series would work because there's so much to pull from that's outside of regular present day Earth experiences. A historical theme park would work on those grounds as well, with lands set in different periods like classical Rome, ancient Egypt, and Han China with corresponding architecture etc. -- I'd actually kill for this. Fill it with EPCOT style omnimovers set in the different time periods. I'm basically describing my dream theme park.

 

[SplashJacket]

Middle-Earth would be even better!

Really any kind of fantasy or sci-fi series would work because there's so much to pull from that's outside of just regular everyday Earth experiences. A historical theme park would work on those grounds as well, with lands set in different periods like classical Rome, ancient Egypt, and Han China with corresponding architecture etc.

Not to make the thread anymore offtopic, but check This out. People on here came up with a Narnia land in a competition that used GE's space. Some of the ideas are half-baked, but all together, it shows the IP has a lot of potential. Note: the competition was set in an alternate reality, so ignore references to things like Muppet City.

 

[MisterPenguin]

"the other three" generally have 9 rides each (give or take one)

Epcot is up to 12 rides

13 if you count transportation.

1. Gran Fiesta
2. Living w/t Land
3. Frozen Ever After
4. Spaceship Earth
5. Ratatouille
6. Nemo
7. Journey Into Imag.
8. Mission Space G/O
9. Test Track
10. Soarin’
11. Friendship Boats
12. Skyliner
13. Monorail

 

[MisterPenguin]

frozen would be a cool major land, crazy they have 3 but none in usa.

Before the current craze of one-IP lands, WDW's M.O. was to spread the popular IPs through all four parks.

So, is Frozen popular? Then you, Epcot, get a Frozen (ride)! And you, DHS, get a Frozen show! And you, MK, get Frozen in your parades and fireworks!

Are princesses popular? Then every park gets princesses!

Is Toy Story Popular? Then both MK and DHS get Toy Story rides!!

And Mickey and friends everywhere!!!!

Unlike the other Disney parks throughout the world with only one or two parks, WDW needed to draw people to all four parks. If there were only two WDW parks, I'm sure the IPs wouldn't have been split up.

Let's not forget that as WDW added parks, they were duplicating "lands" (e.g., Tomorrowland v. Future World; or, Asian and African countries and jungles which overlapped with World Showcase and Adventureland).

 

[Centauri Space Station]

13 if you count transportation.

1. Gran Fiesta
2. Living w/t Land
3. Frozen Ever After
4. Spaceship Earth
5. Ratatouille
6. Nemo
7. Journey Into Imag.
8. Mission Space G/O
9. Test Track
10. Soarin’
11. Friendship Boats
12. Skyliner
13. Monorail

Soon Guardians of the galaxy

 

[Phicinfan]

I'm fine with them moving away from the studios vibe because it no longer really makes sense, even though I preferred that version of the park. It's the reason I'm okay with the elimination of the Backlot Tour, despite loving that whole experience.

Agreed.

The issue is that the lands they've built aren't really that immersive, at least to me. Galaxy's Edge is light years better than TSL (which, to be fair, I don't think is trying to be immersive) in that regard, but the lack of shows, street entertainment, etc. is still a problem. GE has a bit of that -- although last time I was there absolutely nothing happened other than a couple of stormtroopers standing around -- but it could definitely use more. Most of the real entertainment in the land requires paying a significant premium to do stuff like the droid and lightsaber builds.

I am sorry, but I don't feel TSL is all that bad. Could it have been improved...probably. I for one don't need Pizza Planet, as I don't care for an arcade pizza joint. Especially with Pizza Rizzo's on the other side of the park. I will hold judgement on the BBQ place until we see it completed. I really love the slinky coaster, and have always love Midway Mania. Saucers is better than a simple spinner to me, as the tilt a whirl has always been one of my favorite rides. I happen to feel the setting in Andy's back yard works, and while there are a few things out of place it isn't as stark as some seem to think to me.

That being said, GE is much better and much more inclusive.

What they really need to do is clean up animation area and include maybe one more ride and tie in the MMRR and TSL into the animated atmosphere, and then the land becomes much more expanded. I also think they need some Incredibles in that area not just the dance show and meet and greet.