DreamfinderGuy
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Walt Disney wanted a family park. That’s why there weren’t “Kids Zones” anywhere in Disneyland.
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News New Play Pavilion to replace Epcot's Wonders of Life
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Casper Gutman
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Putting aside what it should be (inspirational, futurist, etc), I’m curious as to what people think EPCOT is.
What distinguishes the EPCOT of the last decade (Nemo, TT redo, GotG, PP, Rat, etc) from WDW’s other three parks?
What distinguishes the EPCOT of the last decade (Nemo, TT redo, GotG, PP, Rat, etc) from WDW’s other three parks?
eliza61nyc
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I'm not sure if I'm following Lazyboy. You mean his work with the parks?
eliza61nyc
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For myself, Epcot is a fun park (yes I said it), world showcase and the festivals are what I love about the park. I think the rides are different from those in Magic kingdom. GOTG is different from Avatar. I never confuse Ratouille with Pirates of the Caribbean.
edited to add, I did not go until 2002 so I only have that last decade as a reference.
Phicinfan
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This is a very fair question.
So let me couch this in light of what was asked.
First - I am not a huge Epcot fan, just isn't my cup of tea
Second - my first visit to Epcot was in 1991, and then didn't go back until 2010. So evidently I have seen the multiple faces of EPCOT, at least I think I have.
Epcot was a lot of fun in the 91 visit. I did Body wars, and had a great time with imagination. So I really understand those that miss that Epcot.
That being said...
Epcot to me is another theme park.
It is to me a world's fair.
You have all the pavilions on the WS side, that are very fun and interesting to visit and taste the local foods and such.
What is missing is the fact that to me at least FW is gone. Instead, the FW area to me is the Ride portion of a world's fair.
I am hoping beyond hope that they fix one side of FW to be adventure? - GotG, Space, WoL Playland(internet or WiR based...) and Test Track(man I wish this could have been redone to tron look....). The other side to me is "our world" Land, Sea, Imagination(which I feel needs work or change).
but it is not the world of the future it was, it to me is instead now...a worlds fair. Pretty much.
lazyboy97o
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Anything. You take issue with the quote as though it precludes kids from having fun.
lazyboy97o
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This is a contradiction. The origins of World’s Fairs is demonstrations of new and upcoming technology. That remains a key focus to this day.
Missing20K
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Be sure to tell Iger about ESPN.
I'm just quoting the man who started all of this. It felt appropriate considering this new play pavilion (at least to me) seems to be a bar in which children can readily and easily reach, without even raising their arms, methinks.
Phicinfan
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yes and no. Not all worlds fairs were based on new technology, some are, some aren't.
eliza61nyc
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not at all, I thought the quote meant that if the kids where some how not learning something, it wasn't worth going. I get the feeling that if you just go to Epcot to have fun and not learn anything you shouldn't be let it.
my bad, I think I lost the gist of 20K's post.
eliza61nyc
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I apologize, OT
Ok maybe this is where I'm going wrong, I thought it was to highlight different countries AKA world. The only one I remember is the one in queens back in 64' I was a kid so I can't remember if I was wowed or not.
lazyboy97o
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It is a very broad yes.
1981: Hunting
1982: Energy Turns the World
1984: The World of Rivers – Fresh Water as a Source of Life
1985: Dwellings and Surroundings – Science and Technology for Man at Home.
1985: Inventions
1986: Transportation and Communication: World in Motion – World in Touch
1988: Leisure in the Age of Technology
1991: The Activity of Young People in the Service of a World of Peace
1992: Christopher Columbus, The Ship and the Sea
1993: The Challenge of a New Road of Development
1998: The Oceans: A Heritage for the Future
2000: Man, Nature, Technology
2005: Nature’s Wisdom
2008: Water and Sustainable Development
2010: Better City, Better Life
2012: The Living Ocean and Coast
2015: Feeding the Planet, Energy for Life
2017: Future Energy
2020: Connecting Minds, Creating the Future
2023: Creative Industries in Digital Convergence
2025: Designing Future Society for Our Lives
Except Hunting and Christopher Columbus, those all sound a lot like Future World.
Nobody is saying they shouldn’t or can’t just have fun. But you are saying they should have no opportunity for something besides that thoughtless fun. What you don’t seem to recognize is that the fun you want would still be available to you if the park had a strong message, a theme, behind it. If you just want fun rides in a nice environment, those will still be offered by a good theme park. Just focusing on those rides and fun that you want means those wanting to experience a story told in built space will no longer have available.
To highlight what? The original and dominate focus is technology and the future.I apologize, OT
Ok maybe this is where I'm going wrong, I thought it was to highlight different countries AKA world. The only one I remember is the one in queens back in 64' I was a kid so I can't remember if I was wowed or not.
Jenny72
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I'm not sure where this idea comes from that because of the Internet, there's no use in having attractions that are educational (and of course also hopefully entertaining). It's not like having the Internet gives you instant understanding of historical trends and possible future innovations. In fact a lot of people are eager to escape the garbage on the internet and find inspiration and coherence in the world. More than ever, in fact, given how divided, anxious and chaotic things seem right now.
With the right leader, Epcot could really seize this moment to be something completely unique, building on their past successes but innovating new ways to reach people in a noisy world. There really is a hunger out there for inspiration, for making the world a hopeful and coherent place. But that leader is not in charge of Epcot.
With the right leader, Epcot could really seize this moment to be something completely unique, building on their past successes but innovating new ways to reach people in a noisy world. There really is a hunger out there for inspiration, for making the world a hopeful and coherent place. But that leader is not in charge of Epcot.
Rich Brownn
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EPCOT took its thematic look from a specific World's Fair - the 1964/65 NY World's Fair. Which, ironically, was actually a failure but lovingly remembered.
Phicinfan
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Which I appreciate. I was asked how I catagorize Epcot, in doing so the normal characters decided to take issue with that. Color me surprised.
It was not meant in any negative connotation. It was meant as just what it was, I see Epcot as a worlds fair. With that, I think they need to re-theme FW as it no longer represents FW IMO.
DeletedAccount55555
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I have to repeat the same argument over and over again when people inevitably gripe about changes to Epcot.
Disney wouldn't be making changes if the original concept was as successful as the diehard fans assume it was. None of these decisions are being made just to spite you.
You look at the 1982 park and see something like perfection. Others see a bunch of very similar slow-moving dark and boat rides with animatronics, no thrill rides, films which repeat the same "our spirit is our people" motif and a lot of corporate advertising masquerading as attractions.
Disney wouldn't be making changes if the original concept was as successful as the diehard fans assume it was. None of these decisions are being made just to spite you.
You look at the 1982 park and see something like perfection. Others see a bunch of very similar slow-moving dark and boat rides with animatronics, no thrill rides, films which repeat the same "our spirit is our people" motif and a lot of corporate advertising masquerading as attractions.
bcoachable
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I guess the definition of success when it comes to theme park is going to vary from person to person...
Bocabear
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It was so much more than that...and while I do feel like the 1982 version was pretty close to perfection, I agree updates needed to be happening... Their lack of updating has caused the massive tear it all down and start over movement... It could have been kept relevent...especially if they had just added the attractions that were planned for an never built...
eliza61nyc
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Yes it could have but unfortunately it was not so basically nothing Disney can do is going to satisfy the diehards. There is no way to go back, yes it would have been nice if they had done all that, but they didn't AND more importantly they are not going to do what the diehards want.
Bocabear
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People don't know what they want...the genius of Disney is they created the want.. They gave people new ways to dream.
NOW they seem to be giving people what they want as opposed to creating new ideas...