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[SirGoofy]

Exactly. That's why she was put there in the first place...guests were asking "Where's Snow White".
A fine example of guests wanting to be in a recreation of the film.

Which is the reason why Jack is being put into POTC. People were asking, "Where is Captain Jack?"

 

[Lee]

Bingo...all of this has happened before...and it'll all happen again...:lookaroun

 

[shaelyn]

You do realize that Swiss Family Robinson is a book / movie, right? :brick:

Yes, amd the movie in particular I remember quite well, it having been one of my favorites when I was younger. And with a big budget remake in the works, I would think they'd want to keep the Swiss Family thing chugging along... but that's another story.

The difference between Tarzan and the Robinsons is that with SFRT you didn't SEE any of the characters. Yeah, there were placards describing each room, but you didn't feel like you were on the outside. You walked in when the family was simply away from the house, or maybe you were even getting a tour from the fam. With Tarzan, he's in there and you're just watching. Maybe you feel like you're getting a covert peek, but you don't feel like you're participating.

The stories have been evident in POTC and HM since their inception. There are three acts and a story in each. As I've said before, i'm not strictly against the updates. I'm hoping these updates will still allow this to be a standalone attraction, ie you don't HAVE to have seen the movie for it to make sense. I'm excited to see what the Imagineers have up their sleeves. I trust 'em, and I'm reserving judgment til I've ridden the ride.

 

[wannab@dis]

The difference between Tarzan and the Robinsons is that with SFRT you didn't SEE any of the characters. Yeah, there were placards describing each room, but you didn't feel like you were on the outside. You walked in when the family was simply away from the house, or maybe you were even getting a tour from the fam. With Tarzan, he's in there and you're just watching. Maybe you feel like you're getting a covert peek, but you don't feel like you're participating.

I still fail to see the issue of whether a character was there or not. Both attractions are basically the same. The only difference is that one has sets and a character while the other has just sets. Both are based on popular books/movies. But yet one is inferior because it has a character? :veryconfu

I wonder how you would feel if the Robinson treehouse had AAs from the beginning. Do you REALLY think this would still be a valid issue?

 

[kaos]

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The best idea that ever came out of the Disney Decade was three movies that forever changed the meaning of theme parks (Country Bears; Haunted Mansion; Pirates of the Carribean).
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I have to differ with you there. I think the movies had almost no impact on the parks. Pirates certainly was a good movie, but the Haunted Mansion? Hardly the epoch of the Disney Decade, considering all the other movies, features, and parks. And what was based on Country Bear Jamboree?

Taken out of context, I can see how you can get the wrong idea about the statement. Let's look at the WHOLE statement, and maybe then it will be clearer:

The best idea that ever came out of the Disney Decade was three movies that forever changed the meaning of theme parks (Country Bears; Haunted Mansion; Pirates of the Carribean). It's obvious that based on the popularity of the movies, these attractions changed (or didn't) to incorporate some of the movie elements that made the movies popular. Country Bear didn't change at all. Haunted Mansion, although the changes were slight, now makes more sense. It's as if knowing the backstory of the characters (the bride, Mme. Leota, etc) makes the experience plussed and leads to even more creativeness once the guest leaves the attraction.

The meaning of the statement is that TDC didn't just sit around on their laurels. They went out and tried a bold move; a type of reverse engineering, so to speak. Out of this, we received a whole new backstory on the characters, and this is where the imagination and mind reach new highs of creativeness. For some, the impact of this move was the inclusion of a backstory of some of our favorite characters. Now we know the story of our little traveler companions and why they desperately want to leave. We are completely immersed in a sensational pirate battle that we have seen on the silver screen. That is the point of this statement. Maybe attendance didn't increase in the theme parks due to the movies, but how many have been touched that Disney tried to bring the theme park to them? Not everyone has the funds or time or ability to visit DL, WDW, or any of the other theme parks around the world, but with this bold move, everyone in the world had the opportunity to capture a little bit of the theme park magic in their hometown movie theater. Whether or not the actual turn-style attendance increased is irrelevant.

The Haunted Mansion and its lack of an originally engineered backstory has left creative minds a niche; there is a complete line of Haunted Mansion comic books that capture the very juice of imagination and creativity. Each issue has sold out within the first week. So, maybe the movie wasn't popular, but the interest in the Haunted Mansion has certainly never waned. (And, Disney did NOT incorporate any of the movie plots or backstories in the Mansion)

All I ask is that if you're going to quote a statement of mine, please do so in the FULLEST of the context.

Thanks,
Eric

 

[cloudboy]

Which is the reason why Jack is being put into POTC. People were asking, "Where is Captain Jack?"

Which goes back to the idea of a changing audience. Do todays guests completely miss the idea of just a general pirate theme? Do they HAVE to have a character and story line already put together for them?

Cloudboy, to be fair I don't think the regualr park guest understands that they're supposed to be Snow White. Most people think they are just in a recreation of the story.

Which further illustrates that point.

Snow White was only one of the movie-based attractions.

There was Snow White, Toad, Peter Pan, Swiss Family Treehouse, Tom Sawyer Island, Teacups, and Dumbo. The last two aren't even really themed attractions. With the exception of Peter Pan (awhere you were supposed ot be a lost boy following along), none of the others originally had the main character. That was by design - how they originally designed those rides.

I wonder how you would feel if the Robinson treehouse had AAs from the beginning. Do you REALLY think this would still be a valid issue?

I do, becasue it would be a big change in how they were originally telling that story. I believe that ti would have had a huge impact becasue that particular attraction was weak story-wise, and only succeded beacuse of the neatness factor. I think that by letting characters and plot override the neatness factor of being in a gizom-ladden tree, it would have fallen flat. Early imaginners have a great sense of style and what they were creating, but I don't think every ride they designed was perfect.

 

[kaos]

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Which is the reason why Jack is being put into POTC. People were asking, "Where is Captain Jack?"
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Which goes back to the idea of a changing audience. Do todays guests completely miss the idea of just a general pirate theme? Do they HAVE to have a character and story line already put together for them?

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I have to differ with you there. I think the movies had almost no impact on the parks. Pirates certainly was a good movie, but the Haunted Mansion? Hardly the epoch of the Disney Decade, considering all the other movies, features, and parks. And what was based on Country Bear Jamboree?
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You just said that you didn't feel that the movies changed the theme park that much, and now you're changing your argument mid-stream... So obviously the movies DID have an effect is the characters that are being clamored for are being added.

Sometimes things just need a change to stay fresh.

 

[artvandelay]

INCORRECT - Pat Zachary will be the lone addition

Pat Zachary was on the Pirates? I knew he came to the Mets from the Reds in the Tom Seaver trade.

How 'bout Omar Moreno instead?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Bingo...all of this has happened before...and it'll all happen again...:lookaroun

In that advent, I'll be sure to ask where the futuristic appartment, farm, city, floating city and the omnimax theater are next time I ride Mission Space. Remind others to do the same.




:lookaroun



Yensidtlaw1969

 

[cloudboy]

You just said that you didn't feel that the movies changed the theme park that much, and now you're changing your argument mid-stream... So obviously the movies DID have an effect is the characters that are being clamored for are being added.

Sometimes things just need a change to stay fresh.

Sorry, I don't understand where you think I changed my argument. Can you clarify that?

Oh, I also forgot 20k. That was another movie-based ride. So I guess that makes 5 out of, what, 18 or so?

 

[ctwhalerman]

I still fail to see the issue of whether a character was there or not. Both attractions are basically the same. The only difference is that one has sets and a character while the other has just sets. Both are based on popular books/movies. But yet one is inferior because it has a character? :veryconfu

I wonder how you would feel if the Robinson treehouse had AAs from the beginning. Do you REALLY think this would still be a valid issue?

I can see why some have issues of seeing Tarzan in his house. Think of it this way. You are supposed to be touring a house, not acting as some sort of sick voyeur walking through some person's house while they are acting as if it is normal. The Swiss Family Treehouse works as an attraction because you don't actually see the family, you just see how they live and leave it to your imagination to how the family would live in the house.

Say you go to an open house while shopping for a house. Would you rather view the house as it is, or view the house while the family who lives there is walking around trying not to notice you? It just gives an unsettling feeling to the viewer.

In the Haunted Mansion, you don't actually see a ghost resident until you are 'invited' to their party in the ballroom and outside. In the Carousel of Progress the father invites you in and shows you his things. If the Swiss Family Treehouse had an AA just sitting in the living room or in the kitchen, it would lend a very strange and awkward feeling, as if we were intruding on someone else's home, instead of being given a tour (which is the point of the signs throughout the Treehouse).

 

[wannab@dis]

I can see why some have issues of seeing Tarzan in his house. Think of it this way. You are supposed to be touring a house, not acting as some sort of sick voyeur walking through some person's house while they are acting as if it is normal. The Swiss Family Treehouse works as an attraction because you don't actually see the family, you just see how they live and leave it to your imagination to how the family would live in the house.

Say you go to an open house while shopping for a house. Would you rather view the house as it is, or view the house while the family who lives there is walking around trying not to notice you? It just gives an unsettling feeling to the viewer.

In the Haunted Mansion, you don't actually see a ghost resident until you are 'invited' to their party in the ballroom and outside. In the Carousel of Progress the father invites you in and shows you his things. If the Swiss Family Treehouse had an AA just sitting in the living room or in the kitchen, it would lend a very strange and awkward feeling, as if we were intruding on someone else's home, instead of being given a tour (which is the point of the signs throughout the Treehouse).

I'm sorry... but that is a stretch. Just do what everyone is claiming the attraction changes nullify... imagine you got that invitation. This circular logic is apparent.

 

[ctwhalerman]

I'm sorry... but that is a stretch. Just do what everyone is claiming the attraction changes nullify... imagine you got that invitation. This circular logic is apparent.

yea, but it's still weird to see characters sitting there doing nothing as you walk by. Why not just imagine they are there instead?

Now how about that Pirates rehab...:drevil:

 

[wannab@dis]

yea, but it's still weird to see characters sitting there doing nothing as you walk by. Why not just imagine they are there instead?

Now how about that Pirates rehab...:drevil:

So all those pirates sitting there doing nothing in the attraction is not wierd? Maybe instead of the planned changes, they should just remove all the AAs from pirates. Brilliant money savings idea! :wave:

 

[CaptainMichael]

So all those pirates sitting there doing nothing in the attraction is not wierd? Maybe instead of the planned changes, they should just remove all the AAs from pirates. Brilliant money savings idea! :wave:

It would also be good for our imaginations and memories...

 

[SirGoofy]

It would also be good for our imaginations and memories...

Jack Sparrow steals immaginations and memories!? NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

Come on people, if you cant imagine your in this pirate crew maybe there's something wrong with your imagination.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Jack Sparrow steals immaginations and memories!? NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

Could I please put that in my signature?

 

[SirGoofy]

Could I please put that in my signature?

Of course. Be my guest.

 

[CaptainMichael]

Of course. Be my guest.

Thank you very much!

 

[ctwhalerman]

So all those pirates sitting there doing nothing in the attraction is not wierd? Maybe instead of the planned changes, they should just remove all the AAs from pirates. Brilliant money savings idea! :wave:

I thought we were just talking about the stationary figures they added to Tarzan's Treehouse, which is what I said was a waste. Plus, the figures in Pirates move and talk, so it's completely different. I would actually like to see them update those 70s AA's to the more modern and fluid ones that can be built today. Imagine a fluid-moving Redhead shaking her hips .