New Muppet-Vision Preshow Incoming?

[rael ramone]

Back to the subject of 'new muppet vision preshow'....

I would not be surprised if TDO has asked for a certain edit to the film, namely, removing Rizzo (tourists, what do they know)....

(Last time I was there, there was a 'knowing laughter' by some during that sequence)...

 

[Magenta Panther]

At leat one projector racks in and out of focuus on that one .

Disney really needs to do a simple serious rework on their 3D. Convert everything to the Dolby 3D like Star Tours 2.0.

Yes, Star Tours looks amazing. Shame on TDO for not giving something based on classic Disney the same high-tech treatment.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Not when Walt himself was buying rights for characters in the first place : Peter Pan, Mary Poppins...

Which he adapted, recreated and plussed into his own version. Which took creativity. Not just dollars.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Walt was am amazing visionary and his work has changed things forever, but it was Roy's who handled the business side of the company. Roy listened to Walt when he wanted to take a risk on a project and Walt always returned the favour. Roy would have been wise enough to realise that Disney and the Muppets are a match made in heaven, and that Disney purchasing the Muppets in no way affects any of the other Disney company projects. Walt would have agreed because that's what they did, they believed in each other.

The purchase of the Muppets was a smart buisness deal, the $115 Million dollars made from the first movie proves this. If we want to continue to see Disney expand and experiment in new medias then they're going to need the funds. If Muppets and Marvel is the way to get these funds then I'll back them 100%. If you don't then I'm not sure you should really call yourself a Disney fan.

Smart business, deal, right. I bet Disney hasn't made any money at all yet on the Muppets, after all the years it's owned them. The movie wasn't a blockbuster, and Iger himself remarked recently that the DVD of the movie didn't sell well: The unit's revenue for the quarter was $1.6 billion. That was roughly the same as a year earlier but shy of the $1.8 billion analysts had expected. Disney said DVD and Blu-ray sales of "John Carter" and "The Muppets" fell short of last year's sales of "Tron: Legacy" and "Tangled."


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/08/business/la-fi-ct-disney-earns-20120808

I get the feeling that Disney will do just fine without counting on any Muppet "funds".


And as for Walt...if he wanted puppets to be part of his company, he undoubtedly would have invented his own puppet characters. But he was way beyond puppets. Audio-animatronics were HIS puppets. Way better than any Muppet IMO.

 

[SirLink]

Which he adapted, recreated and plussed into his own version. Which took creativity. Not just dollars.

HaHaHa nope, Pooh had very script agreements - Mary Poppins had more requirements than a JK Rowling contract - and upset the author so much she refused to give the rights of the other books to Uncle Walt. Great Ormond Street Hospital still owns Pan and had key points that had to be addressed in the version, yes he got rights to do an animated version, and still pays them. He couldn't put his new spin on them...

 

[Magenta Panther]

HaHaHa nope, Pooh had very script agreements - Mary Poppins had more requirements than a JK Rowling contract - and upset the author so much she refused to give the rights of the other books to Uncle Walt. Great Ormond Street Hospital still owns Pan and had key points that had to be addressed in the version, yes he got rights to do an animated version, and still pays them. He couldn't put his new spin on them...

I suggest you actually read the books the Disney versions were based on. And see what Walt did to plus them. And also read what Walt had to put up with via Ms. Travers. Thank god he DIDN'T listen to her. :0

 

[DocMcHulk]

Back to the subject of 'new muppet vision preshow'....

I would not be surprised if TDO has asked for a certain edit to the film, namely, removing Rizzo (tourists, what do they know)....

(Last time I was there, there was a 'knowing laughter' by some during that sequence)...

I LOVE RIZZO!

 

[rael ramone]

I LOVE RIZZO!

If the people I heard laughing were close to me I would probably have said 'TDO Rizzo factor?'

 

[SirLink]

I suggest you actually read the books the Disney versions were based on. And see what Walt did to plus them. And also read what Walt had to put up with via Ms. Travers. Thank god he DIDN'T listen to her. :0

Peter Pan has lots of terms and conditions, in which Disney pays royalties for use of the characters.

Ms.Travers said it had to be shot a certain way and not be a happy go lucky film like Disney's other films - Ms.Travers didn't grant access to the other Poppins books because he didn't play ball ... oh wait this sounds like JK Rowling situation today. Actually I wish he did listen to her ...

Walt plussed jack ___. If you actually believe that you are on a level above the 'huffers...

 

[rael ramone]

Just want to add that, out of all the theatre 3D shows at WDW, Muppets is BY FAR the best one.

And the tipping point is a great preshow in a spacious waiting area (as opposed to a cramped area without a preshow for both Bugs & Philharmagic). Haven't been to Magic Eye since HISTA left.

 

[WED99]

Smart business, deal, right. I bet Disney hasn't made any money at all yet on the Muppets, after all the years it's owned them. The movie wasn't a blockbuster, and Iger himself remarked recently that the DVD of the movie didn't sell well: The unit's revenue for the quarter was $1.6 billion. That was roughly the same as a year earlier but shy of the $1.8 billion analysts had expected. Disney said DVD and Blu-ray sales of "John Carter" and "The Muppets" fell short of last year's sales of "Tron: Legacy" and "Tangled."


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/08/business/la-fi-ct-disney-earns-20120808

I get the feeling that Disney will do just fine without counting on any Muppet "funds".


And as for Walt...if he wanted puppets to be part of his company, he undoubtedly would have invented his own puppet characters. But he was way beyond puppets. Audio-animatronics were HIS puppets. Way better than any Muppet IMO.

You really believe that Disney hasn't made any profit since 2004 through merchandising, the muppet show re-release and the muppet movie? We cannot base popularity and success on DVD sales. DVD is a dying buisness and won't be around much longer.

As for Walt making his own puppets, you are way off. If the examples given by others doesn't convince you, have you heard of Victory Through Air Power. It was basically a history lesson about planes presented in Walt Disney animation style. Now Walt could have easily have made this movie about planes by himself, but he didn't. He went to the guy who wrote the book and paid him to allow him to use the name and what little story it had.

Walt may have shared the same ideas as others, but he was never involved in plagiarism.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Peter Pan has lots of terms and conditions, in which Disney pays royalties for use of the characters.

Ms.Travers said it had to be shot a certain way and not be a happy go lucky film like Disney's other films - Ms.Travers didn't grant access to the other Poppins books because he didn't play ball ... oh wait this sounds like JK Rowling situation today. Actually I wish he did listen to her ...

Walt plussed jack ___. If you actually believe that you are on a level above the 'huffers...

Oh, brother, how to reply to this? The ignorance...well, I'll give it a go. Yes, Travers said this and that, blah blah blah, Mary Poppins' dress had to be made by a certain seamstress who owned a certain shop in London, the music sucked (she wanted actual vintage songs like "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay" used instead), she hated animation, she hated Dick Van ...yeah, what a TRAGEDY Walt didn't listen to her. No doubt he would have won even MORE Oscars for the movie if he had. Sheesh...

Walt plussed the hell out of Poppins, AND Peter Pan, AND every book he and his artisans ever adapted to film. If you believe he didn't, you've been watching puppets too long...

 

[Magenta Panther]

You really believe that Disney hasn't made any profit since 2004 through merchandising, the muppet show re-release and the muppet movie? We cannot base popularity and success on DVD sales. DVD is a dying buisness and won't be around much longer.

As for Walt making his own puppets, you are way off. If the examples given by others doesn't convince you, have you heard of Victory Through Air Power. It was basically a history lesson about planes presented in Walt Disney animation style. Now Walt could have easily have made this movie about planes by himself, but he didn't. He went to the guy who wrote the book and paid him to allow him to use the name and what little story it had.

Walt may have shared the same ideas as others, but he was never involved in plagiarism.

Walt bought the rights to stories and then adapted them to film. Who said anything about plagarism???


As for the Muppets' merchandising profits, they have fallen way short of expectations. Certainly not enough to overcome the cost of their purchase: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/movies/21barn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Here's the pertinent sentence from that article:

Although Disney estimated three years ago that the Muppets would be generating about $300 million a year in merchandising sales by now, retail analysts say the total for 2008 will be closer to $50 million.

 

[Tigger1988]

It's 2013, why are you quoting stuff from 2008 before the movie (and the bulk of Disney branded merchandise) was even released?

Give it up, no one cares that you have a vendetta against the Muppets.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Just wanted to add: yeah, I don't like the Muppets being in the parks. But I don't like Star Wars or Indiana Jones or (potentially) Marvel being in them either. Not when actual Disney classics like Fantasia and Poppins and Bambi and Jungle Book get left out. And I bet a lot of Disney customers feel the way I do. Remember the original DCA? Iger himself actually said about its failure: “We probably underestimated how much people would demand Disney when they come to a park that has the Disney name on it.” Gee, ya think, Bob? What a freaking GENIUS.

(And bear in mind that the Muppet Theater was in the original DCA. Where it sat empty most of the time. And still does, unless Phineas and Ferb or some other Disney entity takes it over for some promotion or other).

 

[Magenta Panther]

It's 2013, why are you quoting stuff from 2008 before the movie (and the bulk of Disney branded merchandise) was even released?

Give it up, no one cares that you have a vendetta against the Muppets.

Yeah, "vendetta", whatever. And I don't care what you think, either, to be frank. Most people don't, as I understand it. And reread the quote I offered about the Muppet's lousy DVD sales. If the merchandise was dependent on the movie doing well, then undoubtedly it pretty much tanked too.

 

[awoogala]

I am so mad they are doing this AFTER I left! Muppets are always one of our few "must-do's" at dhs. I would love a fresh pre-show, love interactive stuff (my kids always read every prop in there!) I would even like a new show... Muppets can do better than waldo, he's quite outdated- looks like every kids first 3-d project these days!
We are Muppets lovers, and we liked the new movie, listen to the soundtrack, bought the movie. everyone I know liked it, too.

 

[WED99]

Walt bought the rights to stories and then adapted them to film. Who said anything about plagarism???


As for the Muppets' merchandising profits, they have fallen way short of expectations. Certainly not enough to overcome the cost of their purchase: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/movies/21barn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Here's the pertinent sentence from that article:

Although Disney estimated three years ago that the Muppets would be generating about $300 million a year in merchandising sales by now, retail analysts say the total for 2008 will be closer to $50 million.

Dude you said Walt would make his own puppets and that he wouldn't purchase the rights to other IPs. You just completely contradicted yourself by admitting that he did buy other IPs and now your trying to cover it up by acting like you agreed the whole time.

As was already stated, that article was from 2008 before the movie. As each movie is released the muppets will slowly grow more popular. It was stupid of Disney to think a 20 year old cast of characters would greet the same success as PotC instantly. This stuff takes time.

I suggest you stop being such a hard head and just accept this cast of hilarious entertaing characters into the Disney Family.

 

[SirLink]

Oh, brother, how to reply to this? The ignorance...well, I'll give it a go. Yes, Travers said this and that, blah blah blah, Mary Poppins' dress had to be made by a certain seamstress who owned a certain shop in London, the music sucked (she wanted actual vintage songs like "Ta Ra Ra Boom De Ay" used instead), she hated animation, she hated Dick Van ...yeah, what a TRAGEDY Walt didn't listen to her. No doubt he would have won even MORE Oscars for the movie if he had. Sheesh...

Walt plussed the hell out of Poppins, AND Peter Pan, AND every book he and his artisans ever adapted to film. If you believe he didn't, you've been watching puppets too long...

What you are describing is the ignorance of Disney past to present, not mine - if you acquire the rights to IP you follow what they want aka Peter Pan because you just have a licence granted by Great Ormond Street- you do not agree to follow all these conditions and then undermine the original author of the work.

Ms Travers had every right to say she wanted no animation, she actually didn't want it to be a musical full stop. You do realise she owned the IP and she was promised all of these things and was lied to.

But thankfully the Muppets is here to stay...

 

[Thrill Seeker]