That can change. Celebration was master planned as conservation space in the late 70s/early 80s and the land where the DHS parking lot/SWH is was too.
Yeah, I took a wag based on what I'd heard.
It doesn’t matter what the amount is, as long as you’re saying “$___ per mile” it’s wrong.
The mouse is obviously playing with Yensid's hat again.
You bet they are going to use that as excuse to raise prices.
Why must you exaggerate? No one is saying that. Of course the MK is the main attraction, but getting there via monorail is one of the appeals of those resorts. Otherwise, why is the pricepoint for Poly/GF/Contemporary so much higher than say, Wilderness Lodge, which is a great resort, and even has direct Ferry access to MK, but no monorail? The monorail adds extra appeal.
Only to people that are willing to pay extra for something that everyone else gets for free. It is an extra and it is part of the reason why people stay at those places, but, not necessarily the only reason, and certainly not a good one.
Of course, so does the extra footage in the rooms...
I often wonder how much room size factors in to pricing for resorts. Here's a sampling of prices from various "deluxe" resorts in Jul/Aug of this year. I made sure to look at rates before the Food & Wine festival starts.
Oh, clearly the monorail plays a role -- monorail = preferred location, close(r) to a park. But you have to remember -- when the first two monorail resorts were built, they were the only game in town. WDW didn't start differentiating market segments until sometime later.I often wonder how much room size factors in to pricing for resorts. Here's a sampling of prices from various "deluxe" resorts in Jul/Aug of this year. I made sure to look at rates before the Food & Wine festival starts.
Port Orleans French Quarter 314 sf - $209
Wilderness Lodge Standard 334 sf - $355
Saratoga Springs 355 sf - $391
Boardwalk Inn 371 sf - $449
Old Key West 376 sf - $395
Beach Club 381 sf - $453
Contemporary Resort Garden Standard 394 sf - $441
Polynesian Resort 415 sf - $509
Grand Floridian Resort 440 sf - $607
It's hard to draw definitive conclusions because hotel designers often size a room to match the target price of the resort. That said, there's a definite correlation between room sizes and prices. I'm not sure there's any causality, though, because I don't recall ever using room size as a differentiating factor in my choice of hotel. Location is typically most important to me, then the coolness factor.
I do think the monorail factors into customer preference for Disney resort hotels, both in convenience and coolness factor.
I wish people could be less polarized in their posting here. We all share a common interest and I'm sure we're all very nice in person. Can't we all just get along? I've gotten mad a few times in some threads but I've learned my lesson and try to focus on providing information with my posts instead of "trying to win the argument" or "expressing my opinion in the snarkiest way possible" or "giving vent to my frustration". This board would be a pleasanter place if we all did the same. If I can do it so can you!
My posts have also become much nicer, more helpful, and less controversial since I decided to pursue a higher "like" ratio.
The "real" EPCOT of that time was The Future World Theme Center, which would have worked as the main entrance to all of Walt Disney World, with 3 massive buildings theme to aspects of the future. Sponsored nu corporations, you'd then be whisked to Magic Kingdom, World Showcase and whatever else (FWTC was also going to be free). They were combined into EPCOR Center.
There is an entire book outlining EPCOT, The Heart of Our Cities.
The film th=at was made was thrown together in 2 days be John Hench, who was asked to make it for Walt to stand in front of. The film was not supposed to be seen outside of the legislature, but after Walt died, someone tagged it not othe TV show without asking anyone at engineering. The truth is the concept of EPCOT is impossible. Once people move in, the E, P and T disappear. As John said, you can't experiment with people's lives. Imagine if the EVAC had actually been used city wide? Disaster. So the decision was made to move away from a practical city into more useful ways to experiment (such as modular construction, gluing instead of welding, innovative flood systems, etc).
The development of the film is rather well documented and clearly features more than two days worth of work. There’s nothing impossible about EPCOT, difficult sure but not impossible. Many of the basic ideas have re-emerged in urban planning and design.
Those were the words from Mr. Hench himself. As for it being "that damned painting" I cleaned up his phrase a bit. But no, you cannot experiment with peoples lives, You can build cutting edge, but NOT experimental. If the experiment fails you have ruined peoples lives. Once of the scenarios explained to me was "We're here to give you a new kitchen of tomorrow. (person
I haven['t even figured out how to use the old one yet." And no, despite all the post-films dancing to try and make it look well=planned (look at the lack of real detail in the big map behind Disney) no real planning had gone into it other than to throw a hodgepodge of other ideas in. The reality is EPCOT, as stated, could never have worked with actual people living there (even bypassing the problems of failed prorotypes, broken equipment, and more) the people living there could have VOTED. Sure, there's been plenty of urban pre-planned communities, both before and after Disney. But all of them took known aspects and applied them to pre-planning. None of them would have been experimental in the way EPCOT was supposed to be.
I do not understand why people always bring up the kitchens as some crazy part of the EPCOT plan. Apartment complexes typically own the kitchen and its appliances. If they want to replace the equipment, they can come in and replace the equipment.Those were the words from Mr. Hench himself. As for it being "that damned painting" I cleaned up his phrase a bit. But no, you cannot experiment with peoples lives, You can build cutting edge, but NOT experimental. If the experiment fails you have ruined peoples lives. Once of the scenarios explained to me was "We're here to give you a new kitchen of tomorrow. (person
How comfortable would you have been having garbage spew up in your house every few days like EVAC does, eh?
A example of that would be the airport at the south of the property.
You can clearly tell the artist/s just put an airpot there without really thinking of actual airport design. Lends credibility to the theory of "just put something together for the film and we'll figure it out later."
