Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

jbolen2

jbolen2

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marni1971 said:
Anything new would have a readdressed interior layout.

Nothing says they can’t be longer either. Aside from a bit of construction work at the stations.
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How short are the stations from adding a extra car? If the driver section stopped on outside the station it seems like an extra car could unload.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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MisterPenguin said:
The solution is simple: Ride sharing skateboards.
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Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Bigart said:
For anyone interested in dimension comparisons, here are a few more of the spec pages from the TGI 1987 Mark VI contract specification booklet. The current double beams are 12' apart center to center, so yet another issue with the wider 300s would be their much closer proximity to each other during passing. Compare these dimensions to those of the 200 and the 300 series.


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You know I wonder, What if they could "link" the first and last 2 cars with an additional one that is connected openly. These extra cars have no external door (so they can fit in the limited size of some stations). The cars with doors have no seating (to allow easier evacuation)
- normal train link, no normal walking link
= modern train link, walking link, allows movement between cars.

Current build is like this: < engine - car 1 - car2 -car 3 - car 4 - engine>
Example: < engine - car 1 seating no doors = car 2 no seating doors - car 3 standard - car car4 standard - car5 no seating doors = car6 seating no doors - engine>
 
donsullivan

donsullivan

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marni1971 said:
Anything new would have a readdressed interior layout.

Nothing says they can’t be longer either. Aside from a bit of construction work at the stations.
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I should have been more precise in the words I chose. The intent was that I could not imagine a new train being purchased that would require them to replace the beams. The latest generation of Bombardier trains need a wider beam as detailed earlier in this thread that I just do not see Disney installing. The image that was posted was of that larger generation of trains. While I can't imaging them not using a more open interior plan, it seems that anything they choose will need to run on the current beam and be constrained by those dimensions and load capacities.

It's been noted repeatedly that they have a goal to match the platforms to the floor level of the trains which by default would require work on the platforms to raise their height to match the floor level of the new trains. That seems a reasonable and understandable goal to deal with loading ECV, wheel chairs and strollers in any car without assistance.

But at the same time the Project Manager/Engineer in me starts to think about the mechanics of making that happen. Much like when the current trains were deployed, there is likely to be a transition period where old and new trains are running on the beams concurrently since they do not have the space to have 2 full fleets on the beams at once. This will create some complications if you start modifying the station platforms to support the new trains while still running old trains on the beams. All of that can be sorted out with effective planning, I'm just really curious how that process will play out without shutting the system down for an extended period to modify the stations while loading the new trains into the system for operation for operations and removing the old trains from the beams.
 
imarc

imarc

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donsullivan said:
But at the same time the Project Manager/Engineer in me starts to think about the mechanics of making that happen. Much like when the current trains were deployed, there is likely to be a transition period where old and new trains are running on the beams concurrently since they do not have the space to have 2 full fleets on the beams at once. This will create some complications if you start modifying the station platforms to support the new trains while still running old trains on the beams. All of that can be sorted out with effective planning, I'm just really curious how that process will play out without shutting the system down for an extended period to modify the stations while loading the new trains into the system for operation for operations and removing the old trains from the beams.
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Seems that you could avoid this in 2 ways:
1) Transition one track at a time so there's never a mixing of old and new monorails on the same track.
2) Platform raising upgrades cold be done after the total transition right? People would need to step up or they would use temporary ramps like they do now.
 
lentesta

lentesta

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I've been told that while a high(er) level CM did say "monorails are coming" over the weekend to other CMs, they were either mistaken or misunderstood. No order for monorails have been placed and there are no plans to order new monorails.

There goes 5 minutes of the show I recorded yesterday.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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lentesta said:
I've been told that while a high(er) level CM did say "monorails are coming" over the weekend to other CMs, they were either mistaken or misunderstood. No order for monorails have been placed and there are no plans to order new monorails.

There goes 5 minutes of the show I recorded yesterday.
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Well, in fairness, if one says it often enough eventually they will be right or none of us will live long enough to know if it did happen or not.
 
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Flalex72

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imarc said:
Seems that you could avoid this in 2 ways:
1) Transition one track at a time so there's never a mixing of old and new monorails on the same track.
2) Platform raising upgrades cold be done after the total transition right? People would need to step up or they would use temporary ramps like they do now.
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New trains with level platform capabilities could be added to the system using the same operating procedures as current trains. Once all trains are running, the platforms can then be modified. On the resort line, this could mean a full closure, or it could mean closing 1/2 of each platform at a time and running at reduced capacity. On the Express and Epcot lines, it could mean full closure, or it could be done by using only one side of the platform at a time, and dealing with the capacity restrictions that causes.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Flalex72 said:
New trains with level platform capabilities could be added to the system using the same operating procedures as current trains. Once all trains are running, the platforms can then be modified. On the resort line, this could mean a full closure, or it could mean closing 1/2 of each platform at a time and running at reduced capacity. On the Express and Epcot lines, it could mean full closure, or it could be done by using only one side of the platform at a time, and dealing with the capacity restrictions that causes.
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I assume you are talking about new trains. The current ones have doors that open outwardly and the bottoms are below the level of the platform needed to make it level, so they cannot be level. What's the big deal about making a 5 inch step up or using the ramps. The design of the trains have to change drastically to accommodate that. In other words... it won't happen. The Monorail system would be down for months and every single train would have to be replaced to have that happen, and frankly that will not happen.
 
ParksAndPixels

ParksAndPixels

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Goofyernmost said:
I assume you are talking about new trains. The current ones have doors that open outwardly and the bottoms are below the level of the platform needed to make it level, so they cannot be level. What's the big deal about making a 5 inch step up or using the ramps. The design of the trains have to change drastically to accommodate that. In other words... it won't happen. The Monorail system would be down for months and every single train would have to be replaced to have that happen, and frankly that will not happen.
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I think the reason why level loading is frequently mentioned is for those in wheelchairs, ecvs, and to a lesser extent those with strollers. Level loading is more efficient than having CMs utilize the ramp, which do not take long but repeated numerous times per day does reduce efficiency and capacity.

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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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lentesta said:
I've been told that while a high(er) level CM did say "monorails are coming" over the weekend to other CMs, they were either mistaken or misunderstood. No order for monorails have been placed and there are no plans to order new monorails.

There goes 5 minutes of the show I recorded yesterday.
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Did anyone REALLY expect that TDO would make the kind of capital investment that new monorails would entail. see Ford's second rule on WDW rumors 'If it costs Money, and will not create incremental revenue it ain't happening'
 

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