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Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
here me out, for some reason i think disney is just painting interior and exterior to make them look nice, till they get finalize something on new ones. Why wouldnt they want to properly refurb these if they were to keep them for 5+ years. but if its <5 years i could see spending some money on paint/interior
 

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
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Sounds more like shoddy workmanship, then, which is disappointing.
I agree, its not hard to properly apply the glue needed to get it to set properly. its possible they didnt do it in a cool room which humidity would cause it to not set properly. Its almost like when you vynil a car, you do it inside a cool building and then you let it sit outside for a while to see if anything comes up or stretches and you bring it back in to fix.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
I agree, its not hard to properly apply the glue needed to get it to set properly. its possible they didnt do it in a cool room which humidity would cause it to not set properly. Its almost like when you vynil a car, you do it inside a cool building and then you let it sit outside for a while to see if anything comes up or stretches and you bring it back in to fix.
Totally different animals. If vinyl applied to a hard surface peels when it's introduced to heat, that's either an adhesive failure or a failure to squeegee out all application fluid.

ETA: Plus, vinyl has factory-applied, pressure-sensitive adhesive for vehicle wraps/lettering. Upholstery is totally different.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
here me out, for some reason i think disney is just painting interior and exterior to make them look nice, till they get finalize something on new ones. Why wouldnt they want to properly refurb these if they were to keep them for 5+ years. but if its <5 years i could see spending some money on paint/interior
Nope. They're doing some mechanical fixes, too - such as door mechanics and such.
 

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
Totally different animals. If vinyl applied to a hard surface peels when it's introduced to heat, that's either an adhesive failure or a failure to squeegee out all application fluid.

ETA: Plus, vinyl has factory-applied, pressure-sensitive adhesive for vehicle wraps/lettering. Upholstery is totally different.
car vynil you stretch, thats why it lifts. major pita, had to wrap a full car and i dont ever want to do that again. If i'm thinking how they did the seats are correct they wouldve laid the adhesive and then stretched on the backside till it set and then possible stapled the back side. thats how i wouldve done it to keep that tension and look smooth.
 

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
Totally different animals. If vinyl applied to a hard surface peels when it's introduced to heat, that's either an adhesive failure or a failure to squeegee out all application fluid.

ETA: Plus, vinyl has factory-applied, pressure-sensitive adhesive for vehicle wraps/lettering. Upholstery is totally different.
are they doing any thing else besides doors tho? like any major refurb? i mean i feel like doors are pretty normal to maintain.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
car vynil you stretch, thats why it lifts. major pita, had to wrap a full car and i dont ever want to do that again. If i'm thinking how they did the seats are correct they wouldve laid the adhesive and then stretched on the backside till it set and then possible stapled the back side.
I used to wrap cars for a living. You aren't supposed to stretch it - you use heat to get it to conform to curves, etc. and only stretch small areas for super tight curves, say like tucking around behind the bumper and such, and even then you only do it if you absolutely have to.

The vinyl seats appear to not have enough adhesive.

are they doing any thing else besides doors tho? like any major refurb? i mean i feel like doors are pretty normal to maintain.
They replaced the door mechanics on Silver, I believe...it was discussed earlier in the thread. Not the doors themselves, but the mechanics that open and close them. Sorry, but I can't remember what else was mentioned.
 

Jonathan Wang

Disney/Monorail Nut
I used to wrap cars for a living. You aren't supposed to stretch it - you use heat to get it to conform to curves, etc. and only stretch small areas for super tight curves, say like tucking around behind the bumper and such, and even then you only do it if you absolutely have to.

The vinyl seats appear to not have enough adhesive.


They replaced the door mechanics on Silver, I believe...it was discussed earlier in the thread. Not the doors themselves, but the mechanics that open and close them. Sorry, but I can't remember what else was mentioned.
wait... how did you one piece bumpers without stretch? maybe im not saying it correctly.

either way the seats were shoddy at best
 

creathir

Monorail and PeopleMover Fanatic
Premium Member
So Bombardier had their earnings report released yesterday for Q3.

One thing of particular note is on page 43, where they point out key sales contracts, 2 North America sales for an undisclosed customer at an undisclosed location exist, one for $104M in rolling stock, the other for $247M in services.


Could be anything, but I would think a municipality would normally want their name attached to it for the good press.

Maybe they hashed things out with Disney for the replacement monorails?
 
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IrishSailor

Member
So Bombardier had their earnings report released yesterday for Q3.

One thing of particular note is on page 43, where they point out key sales contracts, 2 North America sales for an undisclosed customer at an undisclosed location exist, one for $104M in rolling stock, the other for $247M in services.


Could be anything, but I would think a municipality would normally want their name attached to it for the good press.

Maybe they hashed things out with Disney for the replacement monorails?
Well now... the plot thickens!
 

atlien

Member
So Bombardier had their earnings report released yesterday for Q3.

One thing of particular note is on page 43, where they point out key sales contracts, 2 North America sales for an undisclosed customer at an undisclosed location exist, one for $104M in rolling stock, the other for $247M in services.


Could be anything, but I would think a municipality would normally want their name attached to it for the good press.

Maybe they hashed things out with Disney for the replacement monorails?
Interesting report but there are several other undisclosed clients listed so it could be just a coincidence. Assuming WDW keeps the same number of monorails operating that number would make sense. If they are just reporting the contracts now though that would mean they are sometime off in the future (doubtful for 2021).
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Do Monorails have to be built on-site? Any chance Bombardier could build them somewhere else (like the rebuild/refurbishment of the trains) and then deliver them to WDW more or less ready for use?
 

NormC

Premium Member
Do Monorails have to be built on-site? Any chance Bombardier could build them somewhere else (like the rebuild/refurbishment of the trains) and then deliver them to WDW more or less ready for use?
They would be delivered.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
They would be delivered.
Great. Is there any chance, then, that they've been secretly working on new WDW Monorails? Or would the public know about that? Obviously there would be some record of a large contract like this, I'm just wondering if it would be possible that new monorail trains could be something of a surprise.
 

NormC

Premium Member
Great. Is there any chance, then, that they've been secretly working on new WDW Monorails? Or would the public know about that? Obviously there would be some record of a large contract like this, I'm just wondering if it would be possible that new monorail trains could be something of a surprise.
It is possible but unlikely. The assembly line was in Canada.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Alright, then. So we'd likely have more solid info on new Monorails a few years ahead of their arrival. The timeline would be more or less something like: decision by Disney, budget by Parks, contract with Bombardier/order trains, payment, design, built, delivered. Right?

Per the Bombardier Innovia Wikipedia page:

"Today, there are multiple production facilities which have produced the trains including Kingston, Canada; Wuhu, China; Hortolândia, Brazil; and Derby, United Kingdom."

Any WDWMagic members in those places willing to keep an eye out for us, just in case?
 
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